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[Sailor Moon]

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/ingredients_and_chemicals_that_may_contain_meat.htm

Vegans may not even know it, but the government allows misleading information to be printed on ingredient lists.

For the whole list, go to the site that shows what you might be eating, what its in, and what its made of.

But also look at this excerpt:

Allantoin - Cows, most mammals, many plants (especially comfrey). In cosmetics, creams and lotions

Cane sugar (Sucrose) - Vegetable. Animal bones are often used as a filter while processing it. Natural sugar. Florida Crystal Sugar and Jack Frost Sugar are not processed with animal bones.

Carmine (Cochineal or Carminic Acid) - Red coloring made from insects. Candies, frozen pops, bottled juice, red apple sauce, colored pasta, \"natural\" cosmetics and shampoos.

Dextrose (glucose, corn sugar) - Vegetable. Animal bones may be use to filter it.

Diglyceride - Animal (cow or hog), vegetable. Baked goods, peanut butter, chewing gum, whipped topping, sweets, drinks, ice creams and shortening. Used to mix ingredients that normally don\'t mix together, such as water and oil.

Fat - Animal (cow or hog), vegetable. Tallow, lard, soybean oil and cocoa butter.

Gelatin - Hooves, cartilage, bones of animal. Jellybeans, marshmallows, yogurts, ice cream, cakes and frosted cereals. Shampoos and cosmetics, coating on pills and capsules. On photographic film. Used as a thickener.

Glucose (Dextrose) - Fruits or animal tissues. Soft drinks, frosting, candies and baked goods.

Glycerin - Glycerol Byproduct of soap manufacturing (usually is animal fat). Cosmetics, foods, toothpastes, mouthwashes, ointments, chewing gum, medicines and soaps.

Lanolin Oil - Glands of sheep, extracted from their wool. Skin care products, cosmetics and some medicines.

Maple syrup - Vegetable but may be processed with an extremely small amount of animal (cow or hog) or with butter. This is usually now only done by traditional, smaller producers. Most larger producers use a compound from a synthetic source to reduce foaming. Pancake syrup, candy, cereal. Holsum, Spring Tree and Maple Groves do not use animal-derived products to process their maple syrup.

Natural coloring - Usually vegetable. Animal (insects). Processed foods, baked goods, beverages, candy, cereal, ice cream, pasta, dry mixes, margarine.

Natural flavoring - Vegetables, animal (meat, fish, eggs, milk). Processed foods, baked goods, drinks, salad dressing and cereals. An additive to give flavoring to food.

Pepsin - Hog\'s stomachs. Cheeses, vitamins. A clotting agent. Polypeptides: Obtained from slaughterhouse wastes.

Polysorbates - Derivatives of fatty acids. In cosmetics, foods.

Processing aid - Animal (cow, hog), egg, milk, vegetable, synthetic, mineral. Sugar, juice, beer, wine. Something added to foods during processing, and then is mostly or completely removed. It can be used to get rid of unwanted flavoring or coloring or aid in filtering.

Stearic acid (n-octadecanoic) - Animal (cow, stomachs of pigs, and sometimes from dogs and cats from animal shelters), vegetable. Food flavoring chewing gum, soaps, deodorants, creams, cosmetics and hairspray. Steroids, Sterols: Animal glands, vegetable. In creams, lotions, hair conditioners. Used in hormone preparation.

Sucrose (sugar) - Vegetable. May have been processed by using cow bone filter.

Suet (Tallow) - White fat from kidneys and loins of animals. Margarine, shortening, pastries, cake mixes, cooking oils, soaps, candles, cosmetics, rubber, waxed paper and crayons.

Tallow (Suet fatty acid, Stearic Acid) - Fat from cattle, sheep, sometimes vegetable. Margarine, shortening, pastries, cake mixes, cooking oils, soaps, candles, cosmetics, rubber, waxed paper and crayons. Animal fat that is used to make baked goods more fluffy or to reduce the foam during the production of maple syrup, yeast and beet sugar.

Vitamin A (A1, retinal) - Egg yolks, fish liver oil, vegetables, carotene in carrots, wheat germ oil, and synthetics. Supplements, \"natural\" cosmetics. Skim milk, milk, dietary infant formula, margarine, certain cheeses. Hair-dyes, cosmetics, creams, perfumes. Exist in milk, fish oil and eggs. Yellow and orange vegetables contain an ingredient that is transformed into this vitamin.

Wax - Vegetable, animal (insect- or cow), synthetic. Put on vegetables and fruits as a protective coating. Candy, chewing gum. Usually vegetarian.

Are NATURAL FLAVORS always vegetarian ????


The definition of natural flavorings and flavors from the "Code of Federal Regulations" is as follows:

"The term natural flavoring means the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrosylate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf, or similar plant material, MEAT, SEAFOOD, POULTRY, EGGS, dairy products, or FERMENTATION PRODUCTS thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional."

In other words, natural flavors can be pretty much anything approved for use in food. It's nearly impossible to tell what is in natural flavors unless the company has specified it in the label. A few of the vegetarian or vegan oriented companies are doing this now, BUT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE FOOD MANUFACTURERS DO NOT.

The companies actually HIDE the ingredients under the natural flavors mostly in a way of preserving the product's identity and uniqueness.

So, what is a Vegetarian to do ?

Call the company and ask them what's in the flavorings. It is highly unlikely that they would reveal it. But, if they do, good for you. Else look out for other brands.



Just a little heads up to you animal rights activists.. watch out for wax, rubber bands, sugar, and beer, cause ya never know..

[Kt]

Um duh, i'vealways known that "Natural Flavors" could be fermented pig lard.

[Sailor Moon]

Helena` wrote: Um duh, i'vealways known that "Natural Flavors" could be fermented pig lard.

Well, I am glad you learned some new things, in addition to that. Like that chewing gum is made from animal products, for instance.

[Gryff1nd0r]

O Mah Gawd....

wait a sec, I'm not vegan :?

[Gdawg007]

Sailor Moon wrote: http://www.stephen-knapp.com/ingredients_and_chemicals_that_may_contain_meat.htm

Vegans may not even know it, but the government allows misleading information to be printed on ingredient lists.

For the whole list, go to the site that shows what you might be eating, what its in, and what its made of.

But also look at this excerpt:

Allantoin - Cows, most mammals, many plants (especially comfrey). In cosmetics, creams and lotions

Cane sugar (Sucrose) - Vegetable. Animal bones are often used as a filter while processing it. Natural sugar. Florida Crystal Sugar and Jack Frost Sugar are not processed with animal bones.

Carmine (Cochineal or Carminic Acid) - Red coloring made from insects. Candies, frozen pops, bottled juice, red apple sauce, colored pasta, \"natural\" cosmetics and shampoos.

Dextrose (glucose, corn sugar) - Vegetable. Animal bones may be use to filter it.

Diglyceride - Animal (cow or hog), vegetable. Baked goods, peanut butter, chewing gum, whipped topping, sweets, drinks, ice creams and shortening. Used to mix ingredients that normally don\'t mix together, such as water and oil.

Fat - Animal (cow or hog), vegetable. Tallow, lard, soybean oil and cocoa butter.

Gelatin - Hooves, cartilage, bones of animal. Jellybeans, marshmallows, yogurts, ice cream, cakes and frosted cereals. Shampoos and cosmetics, coating on pills and capsules. On photographic film. Used as a thickener.

Glucose (Dextrose) - Fruits or animal tissues. Soft drinks, frosting, candies and baked goods.

Glycerin - Glycerol Byproduct of soap manufacturing (usually is animal fat). Cosmetics, foods, toothpastes, mouthwashes, ointments, chewing gum, medicines and soaps.

Lanolin Oil - Glands of sheep, extracted from their wool. Skin care products, cosmetics and some medicines.

Maple syrup - Vegetable but may be processed with an extremely small amount of animal (cow or hog) or with butter. This is usually now only done by traditional, smaller producers. Most larger producers use a compound from a synthetic source to reduce foaming. Pancake syrup, candy, cereal. Holsum, Spring Tree and Maple Groves do not use animal-derived products to process their maple syrup.

Natural coloring - Usually vegetable. Animal (insects). Processed foods, baked goods, beverages, candy, cereal, ice cream, pasta, dry mixes, margarine.

Natural flavoring - Vegetables, animal (meat, fish, eggs, milk). Processed foods, baked goods, drinks, salad dressing and cereals. An additive to give flavoring to food.

Pepsin - Hog\'s stomachs. Cheeses, vitamins. A clotting agent. Polypeptides: Obtained from slaughterhouse wastes.

Polysorbates - Derivatives of fatty acids. In cosmetics, foods.

Processing aid - Animal (cow, hog), egg, milk, vegetable, synthetic, mineral. Sugar, juice, beer, wine. Something added to foods during processing, and then is mostly or completely removed. It can be used to get rid of unwanted flavoring or coloring or aid in filtering.

Stearic acid (n-octadecanoic) - Animal (cow, stomachs of pigs, and sometimes from dogs and cats from animal shelters), vegetable. Food flavoring chewing gum, soaps, deodorants, creams, cosmetics and hairspray. Steroids, Sterols: Animal glands, vegetable. In creams, lotions, hair conditioners. Used in hormone preparation.

Sucrose (sugar) - Vegetable. May have been processed by using cow bone filter.

Suet (Tallow) - White fat from kidneys and loins of animals. Margarine, shortening, pastries, cake mixes, cooking oils, soaps, candles, cosmetics, rubber, waxed paper and crayons.

Tallow (Suet fatty acid, Stearic Acid) - Fat from cattle, sheep, sometimes vegetable. Margarine, shortening, pastries, cake mixes, cooking oils, soaps, candles, cosmetics, rubber, waxed paper and crayons. Animal fat that is used to make baked goods more fluffy or to reduce the foam during the production of maple syrup, yeast and beet sugar.

Vitamin A (A1, retinal) - Egg yolks, fish liver oil, vegetables, carotene in carrots, wheat germ oil, and synthetics. Supplements, \"natural\" cosmetics. Skim milk, milk, dietary infant formula, margarine, certain cheeses. Hair-dyes, cosmetics, creams, perfumes. Exist in milk, fish oil and eggs. Yellow and orange vegetables contain an ingredient that is transformed into this vitamin.

Wax - Vegetable, animal (insect- or cow), synthetic. Put on vegetables and fruits as a protective coating. Candy, chewing gum. Usually vegetarian.

Are NATURAL FLAVORS always vegetarian ????


The definition of natural flavorings and flavors from the "Code of Federal Regulations" is as follows:

"The term natural flavoring means the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or extractive, protein hydrosylate, distillate, or any product of roasting, heating or enzymolysis, which contains the flavoring constituents derived from a spice, fruit or fruit juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf, or similar plant material, MEAT, SEAFOOD, POULTRY, EGGS, dairy products, or FERMENTATION PRODUCTS thereof, whose significant function in food is flavoring rather than nutritional."

In other words, natural flavors can be pretty much anything approved for use in food. It's nearly impossible to tell what is in natural flavors unless the company has specified it in the label. A few of the vegetarian or vegan oriented companies are doing this now, BUT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE FOOD MANUFACTURERS DO NOT.

The companies actually HIDE the ingredients under the natural flavors mostly in a way of preserving the product's identity and uniqueness.

So, what is a Vegetarian to do ?

Call the company and ask them what's in the flavorings. It is highly unlikely that they would reveal it. But, if they do, good for you. Else look out for other brands.



Just a little heads up to you animal rights activists.. watch out for wax, rubber bands, sugar, and beer, cause ya never know..

The one vegan I know knows all of this. She doesn't use cosmetics, she avoids all of these products whenver possible. And what is the point of this post? To show that being vegan is futile? I'm not vegan and I wouldn't choose to be, but if someone wants to be, let them. They will have an uphill battle as you point out, but so what?

[Canadian-kid]

Oh my this is so hey wait my vegan friends already know this and avoid those ingredients.

:?

guess maybe the vegans really are a step ahead of the rest of the world.

[Sailor Moon]

Canadian-kid wrote: Oh my this is so hey wait my vegan friends already know this and avoid those ingredients.

:?

guess maybe the vegans really are a step ahead of the rest of the world.

your friends dont use rubber bands or beer or wax or sugar?

Do they live in metal homes, too, as opposed to living in wood homes, made from animal homes?

[Canada_Rocks]

Maybe the title of this thread should be "How the government tricks vegans into eating meat"

Much more appropriate.

[Canadian-kid]

Sailor Moon wrote:
your friends dont use rubber bands or beer or wax or sugar?
I don't know never asked them but whenever I offer him something he always reads the ingredients first to see if it's okay. please explain how those are related to animal slaughter anyway?

Quote: Do they live in metal homes, too, as opposed to living in wood homes, made from animal homes?

please explain.

[revolution_reversal]

I tired of this f***ing bulls**t and went back to strict vegetarianism

[Canada_Rocks]

Oh no..there migth be a piece of bone dust in the SUGAR..oh woooh is me. Crap crap crap. Those cows are being slaughtered anyways thanks to non-vegans. SO in actuality Salior Mercury...Vegans aren't killing cows.

Nice try. NEXT...I await the next baseless and irrational claims.