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Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

If your girlfriend was pregnant, and you both had decided to have an abortion, but she changed her mind, would you
a. be upset and leave her to care for the baby, or
b. try to talk her into it, and take her to the appointment, because she had already chosen abortion or
c. be happy with her decision but still leave- its not your responsibilty anymore. or
d. be happy with her decision, Stay, and make the best of it?

Also-
When the baby comes- if you answered A, B, or C applied, would you-

a. pay child support but not visit
b. not pay child support and not visit
c. pay child support and be the best dad I can be.
d. not pay child support, but visit, only because I am so angry at my ex.

ANSWER HONESTLY! :-D

Selfish_Meme · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 726

Sailor Moon wrote: If your girlfriend was pregnant, and you both had decided to have an abortion, but she changed her mind, would you
a. be upset and leave her to care for the baby, or
b. try to talk her into it, and take her to the appointment, because she had already chosen abortion or
c. be happy with her decision but still leave- its not your responsibilty anymore. or
d. be happy with her decision, Stay, and make the best of it?
Hmm I think the last one isn't exactly phrased very well, but if she decided to keep it then I would support her 100%.

Sailor Moon wrote: Also-
When the baby comes- if you answered A, B, or C applied, would you-

a. pay child support but not visit
b. not pay child support and not visit
c. pay child support and be the best dad I can be.
d. not pay child support, but visit, only because I am so angry at my ex.

ANSWER HONESTLY! :-D
N/A

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Thats good to hear!

Sorry to ask, but wassap wit dat username then? You sound like a good boyfriend! (no offense meant- I am being serious)

Korimyr the Rat · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 983 Location: Wyoming

Sailor Moon wrote: If your girlfriend was pregnant, and you both had decided to have an abortion, but she changed her mind, would you
c. be happy with her decision but still leave- its not your responsibilty anymore. or
d. be happy with her decision, Stay, and make the best of it?

I would remind her of the reasons that she agreed with me in the first place, but I wouldn't press the issue beyond that; in the end, it is still her decision and I must respect that. Regardless of the unfairness of the laws in this situation, I would also feel compelled to be the father of my child, assuming she would allow me to. (Of course, once I am that child's father, I am that child's father until the stars grow cold, regardless of her opinion in the matter.)

I wouldn't necessarily stay or leave based on this decision; I'm not going to stay with a woman just because she's the mother of my child, especially if she is so against my will.

So, C or D, depending.

Sailor Moon wrote:
When the baby comes- if you answered A, B, or C applied, would you-

c. pay child support and be the best dad I can be.

I'm not going to have any child of my flesh and blood being raised to believe that I'm a useless son of a b****-- and children deserve parents, regardless of whether or not they were planned.

Selfish_Meme · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 726

Sailor Moon wrote: Thats good to hear!

Sorry to ask, but wassap wit dat username then? You sound like a good boyfriend! (no offense meant- I am being serious)
The name isn't about selfishness, memes are ideas, like genes they can propagate. The bible is an example of memes. There was a famous book called 'The Selfish gene'.
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Books/selfish.shtml

Quote: Chapter 1 - Why are people?

Darwin made it possible for us to give a sensible answer to the curious child whose question heads this chapter. ['Why are people?'] We no longer have to resort to superstition when faced with the deep problems; Is there meaning to life? What are we for? What is Man?

The argument of this book is that we, and all other animals, are machines created by our genes.

This brings me to the first point I want to make about what this book is not. I am not advocating a morality based on evolution. I am saying how things have evolved. I am not saying how we humans morally ought to behave. ... If you wish to extract a moral from it, read it as a warning. Be warned that if you wish, as I do, to build a society in which individuals cooperate generously and unselfishly towards a common good, you can expect little help from biological nature. Let us try to teach generosity and altruism, because we are born selfish. Let us understand what our own selfish genes are up to, because we may then at least have a chance to upset their designs, something that no other species has ever aspired to do.

I shall argue that the fundamental unit of selection, and therefore of self-interest, is not the species, nor the group, nor even, strictly, the individual. It is the gene, the unit of heredity.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Korimyr the Rat wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: If your girlfriend was pregnant, and you both had decided to have an abortion, but she changed her mind, would you
c. be happy with her decision but still leave- its not your responsibilty anymore. or
d. be happy with her decision, Stay, and make the best of it?

I would remind her of the reasons that she agreed with me in the first place, but I wouldn't press the issue beyond that; in the end, it is still her decision and I must respect that. Regardless of the unfairness of the laws in this situation, I would also feel compelled to be the father of my child, assuming she would allow me to. (Of course, once I am that child's father, I am that child's father until the stars grow cold, regardless of her opinion in the matter.)

I wouldn't necessarily stay or leave based on this decision; I'm not going to stay with a woman just because she's the mother of my child, especially if she is so against my will.

So, C or D, depending.

Sailor Moon wrote:
When the baby comes- if you answered A, B, or C applied, would you-

c. pay child support and be the best dad I can be.

I'm not going to have any child of my flesh and blood being raised to believe that I'm a useless son of a b****-- and children deserve parents, regardless of whether or not they were planned.

Awesome! I am so pleased to hear that!

Well, I am pretty impressed you guys! You really are (the ones who have responded so far) real stand up guys, who really seem to support a choice, rather than coercion or forceful abortion...

Thats wonderful, and I am very glad to hear it! Excellent. :-D

Sataere · Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Posts: 226 Location: Ohio

I would pick D for the first question, and C for the second. It wouldn't be right for me to leave her to take care of our child, it would also be my responsibility. I would accept her decisions and stand by her.

The Grandmaster · Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

Hmm, you should have added an option for "Pay Child Support and Visit" I didn't know what to pick otherwise.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2325 Location: Edinburgh

Either C or D, or some combination thereof. I don't know exactly; I don't have a girlfriend now, so to be honest, I'm not sure how I'd act.

If I chose to not remain with the mother (or she chooses to not be with me), I'd still pay child support and visit. Out of spite, of course.

brendan101 · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 16 Location: houston

b and a, however, the only reason she would have become pregnant, with me at least, is because of the failure of the condom/diaphragm. I would never have unprotected sex. Therefore i obviously did not want the child and should not have the responsibility on my shoulders. I would attempt to get her to have the abortion, but if she decides to have it all i can do is pay my support, but not get emotionally attached to a woman and child i did not want to spend my entire life with in the first place.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9373

Quote: If your girlfriend was pregnant, and you both had decided to have an abortion, but she changed her mind, would you
a. be upset and leave her to care for the baby, or
b. try to talk her into it, and take her to the appointment, because she had already chosen abortion or
c. be happy with her decision but still leave- its not your responsibilty anymore. or
d. be happy with her decision, Stay, and make the best of it?

Also-
When the baby comes- if you answered A, B, or C applied, would you-

a. pay child support but not visit
b. not pay child support and not visit
c. pay child support and be the best dad I can be.
d. not pay child support, but visit, only because I am so angry at my ex.

ANSWER HONESTLY!

Since this is hypothetical.....

My answer would be C (pt. 1) and B (pt. 2) - with a bit of an alteration. I would respect her decision and discuss with her the idea of me signing away parental rights. If it were decided that I did not want the baby, but she did, I would give over all of my rights and responsibilities to her. She could raise the child as she deemed fit, without any interference or input from me, and in turn I would not pay child support.

_Locke_ · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 182 Location: Bailey

Sailor Moon wrote: If your girlfriend was pregnant, and you both had decided to have an abortion, but she changed her mind, would you
a. be upset and leave her to care for the baby, or
b. try to talk her into it, and take her to the appointment, because she had already chosen abortion or
c. be happy with her decision but still leave- its not your responsibilty anymore. or
d. be happy with her decision, Stay, and make the best of it?

well I would choose... D, cuz I would support her 100% and also I either I wasn't wearing protection so my bad, or oops! It broke, but that my suff that got her pregnant so I'll take reponsibility!

Sailor Moon wrote:
Also-
When the baby comes- if you answered A, B, or C applied, would you-

a. pay child support but not visit
b. not pay child support and not visit
c. pay child support and be the best dad I can be.
d. not pay child support, but visit, only because I am so angry at my ex.

I answer to D, so I wouldn't answer these

SpellJammer · Joined: 19 Feb 2006 Posts: 84

Well, this question is hard to apply to SpellJammer sense he's pro-life, but had he been liberal this would've been one of those instances of a cruel guy leaving her in the dust, SpellJammer's as strong as an ox and twice as stubborn.. :lol:

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

brendan101 wrote: b and a, however, the only reason she would have become pregnant, with me at least, is because of the failure of the condom/diaphragm. I would never have unprotected sex. Therefore i obviously did not want the child and should not have the responsibility on my shoulders. I would attempt to get her to have the abortion, but if she decides to have it all i can do is pay my support, but not get emotionally attached to a woman and child i did not want to spend my entire life with in the first place.

If she didnt want the child either, why should she carry the full burden on her shoulders?

Also, children without father figures are typically the ones who end up in gangs. What would you think about that? Is it all about you, and what you want, and nobody else?

At least YOU would pay support...

Uriels Fyre wrote: My answer would be C (pt. 1) and B (pt. 2) - with a bit of an alteration. I would respect her decision and discuss with her the idea of me signing away parental rights. If it were decided that I did not want the baby, but she did, I would give over all of my rights and responsibilities to her. She could raise the child as she deemed fit, without any interference or input from me, and in turn I would not pay child support.

How is that altering anything, and what gives you the idea that she would let you sign away your responsibilities? Takes two to tango, buddy! You cant just order a form, and sign it, and thats it- you need her to approve it. What happens to her when she says "No WAY!, Youre paying child support, damnit!" What are you gonna do then? Risk going to jail, or do something extreme?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9373

Sailor Moon wrote:
At least YOU would pay support...

Uriels Fyre wrote: My answer would be C (pt. 1) and B (pt. 2) - with a bit of an alteration. I would respect her decision and discuss with her the idea of me signing away parental rights. If it were decided that I did not want the baby, but she did, I would give over all of my rights and responsibilities to her. She could raise the child as she deemed fit, without any interference or input from me, and in turn I would not pay child support.

How is that altering anything, and what gives you the idea that she would let you sign away your responsibilities? Takes two to tango, buddy! You cant just order a form, and sign it, and thats it- you need her to approve it. What happens to her when she says "No WAY!, Youre paying child support, damnit!" What are you gonna do then? Risk going to jail, or do something extreme?

Okay. Calm down and reread what I said. "I would discuss with her the idea of me signing away my parental rights." I never said I would order her to agree to it. I never said that I could, or would, do it without her. I said I would discuss it with her. If she was agreeable to the idea, then we would do it. If she wanted child support, then I wouldn't sign away my rights.

Remember though, this is hypothetical. And, beings that I will never be in this position, it's not something I have really thought long and hard about before.

On another note, might I suggest a little bit less hostility in responding. You asked for our opinions on what we would do in this hypothetical situation, then you yell at us for being honest.

Would you prefer we all lied and told you that we would do exactly as you would want us to?

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

UrielsFyre wrote: Sailor Moon wrote:
At least YOU would pay support...

Uriels Fyre wrote: My answer would be C (pt. 1) and B (pt. 2) - with a bit of an alteration. I would respect her decision and discuss with her the idea of me signing away parental rights. If it were decided that I did not want the baby, but she did, I would give over all of my rights and responsibilities to her. She could raise the child as she deemed fit, without any interference or input from me, and in turn I would not pay child support.

How is that altering anything, and what gives you the idea that she would let you sign away your responsibilities? Takes two to tango, buddy! You cant just order a form, and sign it, and thats it- you need her to approve it. What happens to her when she says "No WAY!, Youre paying child support, damnit!" What are you gonna do then? Risk going to jail, or do something extreme?

Okay. Calm down and reread what I said. "I would discuss with her the idea of me signing away my parental rights." I never said I would order her to agree to it. I never said that I could, or would, do it without her. I said I would discuss it with her. If she was agreeable to the idea, then we would do it. If she wanted child support, then I wouldn't sign away my rights.

Remember though, this is hypothetical. And, beings that I will never be in this position, it's not something I have really thought long and hard about before.

On another note, might I suggest a little bit less hostility in responding. You asked for our opinions on what we would do in this hypothetical situation, then you yell at us for being honest.

Would you prefer we all lied and told you that we would do exactly as you would want us to?

You also didnt say what you would do if she disagreed, which makes it clear to me that her disagreeing to what you want is out of the question, or at least unthought of.

There is no hostility or yelling coming from me, either, I am merely asking you a question in retaliation to your one sided response, which still has yet to be answered.

You also say that you will never be in this position. How is that possible? Are you a virgin? Sterile?

Coral · Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2791 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

I would phone my local congressman and ask him what to do, since he/she knows what's best for both us. My girlfriend and I are incapable of making rational decisions without the aide of a compassionate politician.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Coral, the freedom of speech allows you to phone your congressmen and TELL him what TO do...

Didnt you know?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9373

Sailor Moon wrote: You also didnt say what you would do if she disagreed, which makes it clear to me that her disagreeing to what you want is out of the question, or at least unthought of.

There is no hostility or yelling coming from me, either, I am merely asking you a question in retaliation to your one sided response, which still has yet to be answered.

Actually, in my most recent response I did answer what I would do if she disagreed with me signing away parental rights. If she didn't want me to do that, and therefore (I assume) wants child support, I would do so. However, my main point is that I would want to sign away my parental rights and not pay child support, with her consent. After all, we had originally agreed on abortion, meaning neither of us wanted the child, but she changed her mind. That indicates that she wants the child but knows I do not, in this hypothetical situation.

Sailor Moon wrote: You also say that you will never be in this position. How is that possible? Are you a virgin? Sterile?

No, I'm not a virgin or sterile. I'm gay. I don't sleep with women. If I do decide to have a child it will be intentional, through artificial insemination, and with one of a few friends who have volunteered to be surrogate mothers for me.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

UrielsFyre wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: You also didnt say what you would do if she disagreed, which makes it clear to me that her disagreeing to what you want is out of the question, or at least unthought of.

There is no hostility or yelling coming from me, either, I am merely asking you a question in retaliation to your one sided response, which still has yet to be answered.

Actually, in my most recent response I did answer what I would do if she disagreed with me signing away parental rights. If she didn't want me to do that, and therefore (I assume) wants child support, I would do so. However, my main point is that I would want to sign away my parental rights and not pay child support, with her consent. After all, we had originally agreed on abortion, meaning neither of us wanted the child, but she changed her mind. That indicates that she wants the child but knows I do not, in this hypothetical situation.

Sailor Moon wrote: You also say that you will never be in this position. How is that possible? Are you a virgin? Sterile?

No, I'm not a virgin or sterile. I'm gay. I don't sleep with women. If I do decide to have a child it will be intentional, through artificial insemination, and with one of a few friends who have volunteered to be surrogate mothers for me.

Whoops! Sorry I forgot.. I dont understand why you even responded to this, though... but hey, thats cool..