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Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 281

There is no proof Jesus actually existed, nor is there proof anything exists due to modern science, I mean look at physcis, they say energy cannot be created nor destroyed, meaning nothing can exist, then move on to tell you that evolution is possible. Nobody has any brains at all. (I'm 14 too, nice to see someone else my age actually interested in relevant things, i'm tired of all the stoners etc around.)

forthegreatergood · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 366

hemlock wrote: Thats an interesting point. Maybe what Jesus meant by his teachings was that if we follow the golden rule and act as his teachings say then we create heaven here on earth.
By the Golden Rule, do you mean this: Do Unto Others As They Do Unto You.

Why, then do we slaughter our fellow creatures, and eat their flesh? Are they not also part of our family of creation?

forthegreatergood · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 366

Doowstados wrote: There is no proof Jesus actually existed, nor is there proof anything exists due to modern science, I mean look at physcis, they say energy cannot be created nor destroyed, meaning nothing can exist, then move on to tell you that evolution is possible. Nobody has any brains at all. (I'm 14 too, nice to see someone else my age actually interested in relevant things, i'm tired of all the stoners etc around.)

Doowstados,

I recommend that you research some of what they have to say about what you are communicating about in the above paragraph. Here is something to ponder: some scientists say that energy cannot be created or destroyed; if you apply that to evolution (which you can comprehend to mean change and/or adaptation), then it means that creation, according to evolution, changes. But also consider immutability, immortality, permanence. Specific religions and specific philosophies have represented or communicated about what words communicate and sometimes try to communicate.

forthegreatergood · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 366

bubbleyumm wrote: he was just some guy, who was put on earth, to die.
ta da.

Be respectful of beings with good intentions. Also, how do you know that he was put on earth to die? What would be the purpose of that? Would that be considered GOOD or evil? Who told you that he was put on earth to die? Is that what life is about?

Mr. Jaggers · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 152

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FinnMacCool · Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 2786

(I'm an atheist) Jesus actually did exist. He has been mentioned by scribes and historians before. They never really said very much about him though. They just said that this guy was existed and was executed and that was pretty much it.

Mr. Jaggers · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 152

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Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 323

"i'm tired of all the stoners etc around."

I resent that remark and if you did your research you would know that:

William Shakespear got high
Jesus Christ and his followers got high (probably)
Almost all the good music is made on drugs.
The Bill of Rights (USA) was written on hemp paper.

I also find your remark offensive as i am a medical user of cannabis (sometimes recreational) since high school.
That my freind is discrimination and i find that remark as offensive as a black person would find the "N-word" offensive.

Onto Jesus now yes he did exist but here's the thing in the region and time period Christ or Christos means the annointed one. Jesus was most likely a Rabbi. But new historical facts some refrences in Bible apparently point out that the baptism today is only half the ritual. The rest of the ritual is a smearing of annointing oil on the body after purification. the annointing oils are actually made with Cannabis they called it kaneh-bosm and it was mixed with olive oil among other things. The recipe is in Exodus (30: 22-23) Cannabis is often mistranslated Callimus
Now the word messiah actually dates back before christianity as all the ancient kings of Isreal were reffered to as "Messiah".

Also studies don this and last centuries show that the plant has remarkable healing properties as well as helping fight bacterial infections. Could this been what he used to help cure Lepers?
Matthew 8,10,11 Mark 1, Luke 5,7,17

Jesus was not only a philosopher but he was a revolutionary and eventually paid with his life for defying the state and places of worship.

I am however in no means a beleiver in the ressurection and all the othe outlandish things that the bible says but i am a fan of the man.

Doowstados · Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 281

I don't see any proof in any of that. Your assuming that philosophers are always correct, and your basing your opinions on belief in the bible.

If energy cannot be created or destroyed, where exactly did energy originate from. Immortality is an idea whereas this has actually been proven. I have done my research. You should do the same instead of rattling ideas based of religions out of your head.

Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 323

"Have you heard of quantum mechanics because i beleive it replaced Newtonian mechanics ages ago. Plus you can create energy it's been done with a technique called quantum teleportation which actual experiments have prooven that you can infact create relpicas of photons and destroy the original copies. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0818_040818_teleportat ion.html" (takin from my post in other thread adressing you on this issue)

Do your research quantum mechanics has prooven Newtonian mechanics obsolete. I do beleive replication in which photons are destroyed and then reproduced is a form of creating and destroying energy.

I am also not a beleiver in religeon neither but Jesus was documented in other scrolls,tablets and scriptures from other cultures as well and even religeos skeptics such as my self reckognize the existance of the Rabbi Jesus or later as he became Christ Jesus of Nazareth

The real question should be was Jesus what they said he was? and i have definitavly prooven that wrong though the use of history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
(wikipedia has been said to be as accurate as encyclopedia Brittanica)

Jesus is mentioned in Islam,Hindi,Christianity,Judaism and elseware. I do not beleive the bible is accurate infact i know it is not but the first 9 years of my schooling was spent in the christian school system where we had to learn this stuff. I later made the decision to go to public schooling because of my disagreements with the church etc.

Doowstados you have failed in your attempt to discredit me. But i do have a question. Can you proove Jesus never existed? Or is that your opinion because the evidence is there is you look for it. Jesus was a revolutionary man not a demogod who changed the world with his ideals not magic powers.

Mr. Jaggers · Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 152

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Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 323

Givin how many literary works he was mentioned in at the time outside the bible etc. he is outside the bible not mentioned as a miracle worker as the christians claim but a normal guy who went again'st the state and was crucified for it.

There were many christs,messiahs and rabbis in that time period it can only be assumed that on was named Jesus or a similar name.

Cato · Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 1274 Location: Ottawa, ON

Mr. Jaggers wrote: . . . the Bible is no more relevant than other ancient literary works such as Homer in proving historical fact.

Untrue (if we're referring to the gospels). Homer's works were oral tradition for roughly a thousand years before a language was developed in which to record them. The 'Jesus movement', conversely, had authoritative mythical accounts of Jesus within 100 years of his apparent 'ministry'. That's a huge difference. It's probably safe to assume that Jesus existed, while the same is not true for Achilles. To be sure, given historical and textual evidence, we can say with some authority that Jesus was a messianic pretender (as in 'to the throne'), among many, but no more than that, really. For example, Jesus' time was one dominated by messianic expectations, and messianic movements. This we know: Jesus' movement would not have been a novelty. Also, we have textual evidence from Paul's letters of a 'Jesus movement' headed by Jesus' brother, James, and the other 'pillars' in Jerusalem.

Shape · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Earth

This was a great documentary, I highly recommend everyone watch it. LINK

http://www.pharmacratic-inquisition.com/nontesters/pharmacratic/
There's also a lot of information if you scroll down.

CaptainDankNuggets · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 137 Location: Highland, Usa

Hells yeah kiddies

WorldCitizenMovement · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 194 Location: Ontario

Strawberry Fields wrote: Mind you, I have not fully read the bible, nor am i a master in theology, But I understand the main message Jesus was trying convey I think. I'm 14, and from what I can see of what Jesus was saying, he was a man WAY ahead of his time. Now Didn't he say that the kingdom of heaven was smaller than a mustard seed? Maybe he meant that it is not a place but an ideal which all men should strive too, therefore creating heaven, if you follow his philosophy of love. I think he also said said something along the lines that the whole world needs to be Christian for salvation to come? Well maybe he meant if everyone subscribed to his philosophy of universal brotherhood, THEN salvation of humanity would come.

Those of you who are more oriented with the Bible please correct me if I made mistakes, I'm just stating a perspective from someone who wasn't brought up going to church, and maybe you guys would find it interesting. I hope I don't get flamed, I'm new to this place I don't know the general mood :-|

Before you go any further, there were a lot more philosophers before the time of Jesus. Christianity wouldnt be here today if it were not for the influential philosophers of ancient greece.