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Hot Soup · Joined: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 21

What is the holy grail? Is it a cup, or a tomb? Do you need a wooden rabbit to get to it? or maybe a wooden badger? jkjk.

Does the "grail" even exist?

CaptainDankNuggets · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 137 Location: Highland, Usa

Thats a possibility

social · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Holy Grail

Hot Soup wrote: What is the holy grail? Is it a cup, or a tomb? Do you need a wooden rabbit to get to it? or maybe a wooden badger? jkjk.

Does the "grail" even exist?

Persoanlly I take the mythology and theology of the 'Holy Grail' as serious as the Monty Python film with the same name.

Luigidel · Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 150

Haha, i agree...that movie kicks some major ass though. :lol:

social · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject:

Damn straight. A little excerpt:

Quote: King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

Gus · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 7609 Location: Tampa, FL

I was gonna move this, but I have no frickin' clue where to move it...

Strawberry Fields · Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 67

social wrote: Damn straight. A little excerpt:

Quote: King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

Best scene every written by humans, evvvvveeerrr. None of my friends have that as their favorite, but htye raent that much into politics :) I like how he explains anarcho-syndiclist commune, as if outsiders truly care about your little political tiles. :lol:

gymark · Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 9 Location: Grimsby

the holy grail is not actually a material object, its something else, but i cant remember what

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9373

social wrote: Damn straight. A little excerpt:
.....edited

Wonderful excerpt. But, my favorite scene is....

Quote: BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1: Are there?
BEDEVERE: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #3: Shh!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn?
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.
CROWD: Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah.
BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!

:lol: Thank God they don't burn witches anymore...they might see if I weighed the same as a duck! ;)

VBach37 · Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 1986 Location: New Hampshire

Hot Soup wrote: What is the holy grail? Is it a cup, or a tomb? Do you need a wooden rabbit to get to it? or maybe a wooden badger? jkjk.

Does the "grail" even exist?

the Hoyl Grail is supposedly the cup that Christ drank from at the Last Supper, and then later caught the blood of Christ when he was crucified. I have absolutely no idea what the origin is of this myth, or why anyone thinks they would have bothered to catch the blood.... all in all, I think it's probably just another example of Catholic nonsense.

HomoUniversalis · Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:

Just now I read an article about Jesus being Julius Caesar. Most interesting, might I add, but it illustrates the point of how difficult it is to make accurate statements about the past. Especially, when much of it is based on a book written primarily to make people obey to a certain religious system.

Those writers and their later interpreters could much use the mystifying to inspire people to believe in it. Generally, people are more likely to believe a big, complex lie than a small, uncomplicated one.

Mr U

connermt · Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1526 Location: CMH OHIO

Most people believe the Grail is a cup that Jesus drank from @ the Last Supper. Some, though, believe that he was married (most believe to Mary Magdeline) & the grail was his child she took to (if I remember right) France after his Crucifixion.

social · Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject:

UrielsFyre wrote: social wrote: Damn straight. A little excerpt:
.....edited

Wonderful excerpt. But, my favorite scene is....

Quote: BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.
VILLAGER #1: Are there?
BEDEVERE: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
VILLAGER #2: Burn!
BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?
VILLAGER #1: More witches!
VILLAGER #3: Shh!
VILLAGER #2: Wood!
BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn?
VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?
BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.
CROWD: Oh, yeah. Oh.
BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?
VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah.
BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?
VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!
VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!
BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?
VILLAGER #1: Bread!
VILLAGER #2: Apples!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!
VILLAGER #1: Cider!
VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy!
VILLAGER #1: Cherries!
VILLAGER #2: Mud!
VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!
VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!
ARTHUR: A duck!
CROWD: Oooh.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...
VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
VILLAGER #2: A witch!

:lol: Thank God they don't burn witches anymore...they might see if I weighed the same as a duck! ;)

God I remember this one. I tried explaining the scene to my philosophy teacher once to demonstrate the fallacy of the logic but, as expected, I failed, and miserably :lol:

letsgooilers · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 407 Location: Saskatchewan

Strawberry Fields wrote: social wrote: Damn straight. A little excerpt:

Quote: King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

Best scene every written by humans, evvvvveeerrr. None of my friends have that as their favorite, but htye raent that much into politics :) I like how he explains anarcho-syndiclist commune, as if outsiders truly care about your little political tiles. :lol:

Yes, that scene definately ranks up there as one of the greatest scenes in movie history of all time. My political studies 111 prof had that scene memorized. And that by itself, makes him the best prof ever! :-D

KG · Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 152

Like most ancient artifacts their locations are a mystery but that is not what is important. If one is to take a jouney to find the Grail, it is not finding the Grial that matters, it is instead the journey itself that matters. Through the jouney one connects stronger with God and it is this that will benifit the seeker more than any cup will ever.

Hyde · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject:

social wrote: Damn straight. A little excerpt:

Quote: King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: y peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

:lol: :lol:

Another quote from MP:

Arther: I cut off your arm

Blacknight:no you didn't

Arther:it's laying right there

Balcknight:its just a flesh wound

Jason.Spade · Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 288

To get back to the subject, the Grail could be whatever wanted to make it so long as the miracles expected were not to be taken literally. I would expect a chalice or cup, but the concept of common holy grails is not uncommon. Look at Holy Communion-- a grail is used in a holy manner that directly relates to Christ.

Deus · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 2629 Location: Aalesund

social wrote: Damn straight. A little excerpt:

Quote: King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
Dennis: Oh, but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.
Dennis: Oh but if I went 'round sayin' I was Emperor, just because some moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away.
Dennis: Come and see the violence inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: Bloody peasant!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?

GOD i love that, Erasmus Montanus couldnt do it better :lol:

Super Conservative! · Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 41 Location: Somalia

Gus wrote: I was gonna move this, but I have no frickin' clue where to move it...

... as one Knight Templar once said to another.