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[SpellJammer]

SpellJammer has never ever met a liberal that did not have atleast two of the following qualities..

Was incapable of a serious relationship..
Used drugs, we're talking hard drugs like crack here..
Treated others like they were retarded..
Acted rude against religous people even when they did nothing to them..
Purposely use to say things to cause an argument..
Always played the victim card but was a bully..
Was a horrible friend who backstabbed you..
Was so apathetic they may as well be a toaster..
Have bad hygene..
Are rascist.. (Esepcialy against Jews..)
Hate kids, hate animals, bassicaly hate anything that can smile..

[raf]

politicalmojo wrote: raf wrote: politicalmojo wrote: raf wrote: politicalmojo wrote: raf wrote: politicalmojo wrote: George W Bush wrote: usuchamp wrote:

Many liberals are simply lazy and hope to "get something for nothing" by mooching off the skills and intelligence of others (the American dream is based on shrewdness, not hard work). A liberal's worst nightmare might be the disappearance of all conservatives.

The liberalism attributed to laziness is not liberalism.
In other words, how are people on welfare liberal?
They've been lumped into the same category as academic professors and college students?

To look at welfare in a different light: what would happen to our economy if people ended up living in the streets, dying in the open, etc?
Capitalism should thank welfare as it assures a contributing hand to a prosperous economy by taking the percentage of tax dollars, and essentially 'giving it back' when recipients spend money.

Liberals often say when fighting a moral issue: Who is it for you to impose your morals on me? or perhaps, Morals are a subjective issue.

But liberals fail to see that the other side of the argument. Who is it for you to take my money and spend it as you please. Its a double standard.

What do you mean liberals are fighting a moral issues? It’s the conservatives who fight moral issue. Pro-Life, Christian values, Bush is conservative and he makes it seem like his on a crusade from God. Don't tell me that conservatives don't fight moral values, they are worse when it comes to that, that's what makes them conservative; sticking to the status quo wanting they morals to make up the ethical system. I am a liberal, I can see you don't like seeing your tax going to dole bludgers, but they only make up a small percentage of the welfare system which has been blown out of proportion but the conservative controlled media. What about the honest ones, which are the majority I might add. Are you just going to leave them there with nothing? Economically it’s better off if they were given welfare payments so they can consume and contribute to the circular flow of the economy, injecting the money back into the system. This wasn’t done before and was a reason why the great depression of the 1930s was so bad.

On the "social issues" those are in fact the arguments many liberals amke including on this board. So I will respond with a similar argument.

Who is it for you to tell me what to do with my money. Afterall it is my money, why should you take it and give it to someone I may believe is less worthy than me or perhaps to something I don't even agree with.

Yes I will just leave them there I assure you they will drag themselves out. Cause our primary animal instinct is to survive,
people either adapt or die. Its Darwinism. I thought liberals believed in evolution.

Actually they tried welfare during the great depression and it didn't do a whole lot. All it did was create these programs that weren't supposed to be around but for five years but are still hanging around today. Social Security immediately comes to mind. The main reason the great depression was so long was because Hoover raised taxes directly after the stock market crash. He feared the US would a run a deficit so he raised taxes and deepened the problem further.

Fine I’ll play that game. Who are you to tell me that I cannot have abortion? Who are you to tell me I cannot kill myself if I am pretty a vegetable.
I can't believe you would "just leave them there ". Using survival of the fittest as an excuse for your inhumanity?
Obviously you are not familiar with John Maynard Keynes’, who is credited as the best economist ever, and his work on the welfare state. No wonder your country doesn’t as rank highly in terms of standard of living. The countries with a higher standard of living such as the Scandinavian countries, my country Australia and even Canada, have a higher standard of living than the US because we have good welfare systems. These countries aren’t poor either, they also rank rather highly in GDP and are all considered developed countries.

Because Abortion infringes upons the rights of another human being (but that argument is for a different section of the forum). You have every right to kill yourself so long as it doesn't interfere with me in anyway.

In America your standard of living is waht you make out of it. My standard of living is probably above your own standard of living. Im not out to make huge generalizations of societies. I am out to make life happier. I give a large amount of money to the poor because it makes me feel good to help others out. My money going to private organizations is distributed far better than those overly regulating beauracracies of the government.

The fact that you don’t care if I kill myself proves you’re not really that conservative; many would crap on about right to live and turn it into a religious issue, etc. How do you know that your standard of living is better than mine? The government provides me with free healthcare and I don’t have to pay for University/College until I finish and have a job; do you have those benefits? Aside from that, your attitude is so selfish. It’s all about “me” isn’t it? You give money to charity because it makes YOU feel good, not because you want to help. Secondly, giving money to charity organisations in most circumstances does not distribute the money far better than the government. Most of the time organisations keep a large proportion of the money and gives the rest to charity. This isn’t “far better than those overly regulating beauracracies of the government”.

I pay for my own college thank you very much. That is one of my proudest things in my life. You are more than capable of providing for yourself. Do you really think you dont have the ability to provide for yourself. I have faith that you can. If you honestly cant provide after workling hard I will be more than happy to help you out. When I go to school and see those lousy ingrates who could honestly care less about their furture or their life I want to never help them. They chose to put themselves in that position.

But If you think about it if everyone just took care of themselves and just thought about themselves then their wouldn't be any problems. The only ones who should be put under welfare is the mentally disabled because they cant choose whether to work or not. That is one of the only exceptions.

Honestly congratulations, you can work and pay for your own college tuition. Unfortunately, even if they work like you, some people still can’t go to college. Not because they don’t work hard enough but because sometimes they cannot get a high enough paying job and their parents’ cannot support them financially or some other reason. Here, everyone can go to university, no matter what financial status they are. A university degree is important if you want to success monetarily in today’s competitive world; to live the “American Dream”. Sadly, only those with degrees are considered for big time promotion. Those without it are stuck under a glass ceiling. Is it fair if that only those who can afford it can experience this “American Dream?” Therefore unfortunately in this world, “if everyone just took care of themselves and just thought about themselves”, there would still be problems and the most qualified wont necessarily have been to college because they couldn’t afford it for some reason and they are stuck in some mediocre job unable to live up to their potential, no matter how hard they work. In my country, university places are determined by results, everyone has the opportunity to go to university, no matter what your monetary status is, if you’re smart enough, you can go to university.

SpellJammer wrote: SpellJammer has never ever met a liberal that did not have atleast two of the following qualities..

Was incapable of a serious relationship..
Used drugs, we're talking hard drugs like crack here..
Treated others like they were retarded..
Acted rude against religous people even when they did nothing to them..
Purposely use to say things to cause an argument..
Always played the victim card but was a bully..
Was a horrible friend who backstabbed you..
Was so apathetic they may as well be a toaster..
Have bad hygene..
Are rascist.. (Esepcialy against Jews..)
Hate kids, hate animals, bassicaly hate anything that can smile..

I’ve never ever met a conservative that did not have at least two of the following qualities:

1. Was incapable of an open and honest relationship.
2. Supports the military (or used to be in the military which is worse) and the currently conservative government and believe whatever they are told.
3. Treated others in need and “socially inferior” to them like they were retarded.
4. Are religious people; are rude and enforce their beliefs on those do not share their beliefs.
5. Purposely use to say or physically do things to cause an argument and get their way.
6. Always played the victim card but was a bully and used minorities as the scapegoat.
7. Was a horrible friend who backstabbed you for so-called “ethical” and “moral” reasons.
8. Was so apathetic to everything except the issues that concern themselves they may as well be a toaster.
9. Either have extreme over-the-top hygiene like Ron Howard or dress up like it was still the 1940s.
10. Are racist. (Especially against Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Indigenous people and particularly Arabs.)
11. Hate the youth, hate females, hate gays basically hate anything/one that have opposing views

[The Red Thunderbolt]

I am a bit confused.

Who is a liberal?

What does the term even mean?

[raf]

The Red Thunderbolt wrote: I am a bit confused.

Who is a liberal?

What does the term even mean?

a person who favours a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties

[Ssushi]

The strange thing is the US Conservatives rant on about their Liberty. Liberal... Liberty? You see the similarity? Incidentally a old French word.

The reality is that the expression 'liberal' has been hijacked and is now misused by the right wing as an insult.

[George W Bush]

SpellJammer wrote: SpellJammer has never ever met a liberal that did not have atleast two of the following qualities..

Was incapable of a serious relationship..
Used drugs, we're talking hard drugs like crack here..
Treated others like they were retarded..
Acted rude against religous people even when they did nothing to them..
Purposely use to say things to cause an argument..
Always played the victim card but was a bully..
Was a horrible friend who backstabbed you..
Was so apathetic they may as well be a toaster..
Have bad hygene..
Are rascist.. (Esepcialy against Jews..)
Hate kids, hate animals, bassicaly hate anything that can smile..

Circular argument here: that those harboring these qualities are liberals, and that those qualities are your bone of contention with liberals.

I guess conservatives are PERFECT PEOPLE, clean of said characteristics.
Get real, will ya?