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Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2356 Location: Edinburgh

Sailor Moon wrote: Well, for the past 10 years there have been alot of differences in opinion, and if you dont mind, I am going to take all risks to MY HEALTH seriously. Furthermore, I took most of my EC pills BEFORE this so called "conclusive evidence" you bring up, and yet I still have a lump in my breast. Third off, it is ridiculous and absurd to ignore any potential risks, as most studies and organizations claim that "more research is needed" anyways.
Of course you should take risks to your health seriously. Real risks, that is. Not ones with no basis or evidence for their existance which you trump as a reason not to use EC pills.

Furthermore, I can practically gurantee that EC pill is much, much safer than pregnancy or any other method of abortion. Yes, gurantee.

Sailor Moon wrote: My conclusion is that the synthetic hormones that exist in BC are harmful to womens health. I would think that this would be important to men, as well- being that our beautiful round breasts are SOOO important..... You would think this would be a top priority to men.
I am more concerned about womens' health than women's breasts' appearance, thank you very much. Though they're both pretty important.

Edited for grammar.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Prole wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Well, for the past 10 years there have been alot of differences in opinion, and if you dont mind, I am going to take all risks to MY HEALTH seriously. Furthermore, I took most of my EC pills BEFORE this so called "conclusive evidence" you bring up, and yet I still have a lump in my breast. Third off, it is ridiculous and absurd to ignore any potential risks, as most studies and organizations claim that "more research is needed" anyways.
Of course you should take risks to your health seriously. Real risks, that is. Not ones with no basis or evidence for their existance which you trump as a reason not to use EC pills.

Furthermore, I can practically gurantee that EC pill is much, much safer than pregnancy or any other method of abortion. Yes, gurantee.

I am not going to argue with you Gilb. I have seen enough conclusive evidence, and it goes back and forth anyways. Dont tell me you know whats best for me. You dont have a lump in your breast do you? Really, I would honestly be more inclined to listen if you did.

Quote: Sailor Moon wrote: My conclusion is that the synthetic hormones that exist in BC are harmful to womens health. I would think that this would be important to men, as well- being that our beautiful round breasts are SOOO important..... You would think this would be a top priority to men.
I am more concerned about womens' health than women's breasts' appearance, thank you very much. Though they're both pretty important.

Edited for grammar.

Well, be concerned about my own self image in my breasts, cause I am pretty sure the right one will be pretty damn deformed PRETTY SOON.... And my health is the REASON for that.

Lost_In_Ambivelence · Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 108 Location: USA

I did not mean to turn this into a discussion of Birth Control but rather I wanted someone to explain how they support OTC EC but would keep birth control as a prescription. As this is off topic anyways, no need to continue this discussion.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9530

Sailor Moon wrote: Prole wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Well, for the past 10 years there have been alot of differences in opinion, and if you dont mind, I am going to take all risks to MY HEALTH seriously. Furthermore, I took most of my EC pills BEFORE this so called "conclusive evidence" you bring up, and yet I still have a lump in my breast. Third off, it is ridiculous and absurd to ignore any potential risks, as most studies and organizations claim that "more research is needed" anyways.
Of course you should take risks to your health seriously. Real risks, that is. Not ones with no basis or evidence for their existance which you trump as a reason not to use EC pills.

Furthermore, I can practically gurantee that EC pill is much, much safer than pregnancy or any other method of abortion. Yes, gurantee.

I am not going to argue with you Gilb. I have seen enough conclusive evidence, and it goes back and forth anyways. Dont tell me you know whats best for me. You dont have a lump in your breast do you? Really, I would honestly be more inclined to listen if you did.

Quote: Sailor Moon wrote: My conclusion is that the synthetic hormones that exist in BC are harmful to womens health. I would think that this would be important to men, as well- being that our beautiful round breasts are SOOO important..... You would think this would be a top priority to men.
I am more concerned about womens' health than women's breasts' appearance, thank you very much. Though they're both pretty important.

Edited for grammar.

Well, be concerned about my own self image in my breasts, cause I am pretty sure the right one will be pretty damn deformed PRETTY SOON.... And my health is the REASON for that.

While I am sorry to hear that you will have to undergo surgery (and, truly I am....I'm not just being saying it), I must ask this question. As heartless as it may sound, why should I care about your self-image in relation to your breasts? Are you concerned with my self-image regarding my penis? I doubt it.

Self-image matters only to the self. Hence, SELF-image.

To argue that birth control has harmful effects and links to cancer is one thing. That relies on factual data. To argue that said cancer will have an effect on self-image, and should therefore concern everyone, is another.

Gilbert1908 · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 5357 Location: Boston, MA

Sailor Moon wrote: Prole wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Well, for the past 10 years there have been alot of differences in opinion, and if you dont mind, I am going to take all risks to MY HEALTH seriously. Furthermore, I took most of my EC pills BEFORE this so called "conclusive evidence" you bring up, and yet I still have a lump in my breast. Third off, it is ridiculous and absurd to ignore any potential risks, as most studies and organizations claim that "more research is needed" anyways.
Of course you should take risks to your health seriously. Real risks, that is. Not ones with no basis or evidence for their existance which you trump as a reason not to use EC pills.

Furthermore, I can practically gurantee that EC pill is much, much safer than pregnancy or any other method of abortion. Yes, gurantee.

I am not going to argue with you Gilb. I have seen enough conclusive evidence, and it goes back and forth anyways. Dont tell me you know whats best for me. You dont have a lump in your breast do you? Really, I would honestly be more inclined to listen if you did.

Quote: Sailor Moon wrote: My conclusion is that the synthetic hormones that exist in BC are harmful to womens health. I would think that this would be important to men, as well- being that our beautiful round breasts are SOOO important..... You would think this would be a top priority to men.
I am more concerned about womens' health than women's breasts' appearance, thank you very much. Though they're both pretty important.

Edited for grammar.

Well, be concerned about my own self image in my breasts, cause I am pretty sure the right one will be pretty damn deformed PRETTY SOON.... And my health is the REASON for that.

One tactic you continually use which does nothing to move your argument forward is to personalize.

While I am more than capable of empathizing with many personal situations and while my personal experience may add to my understanding of a subject, it does nothing to detract from another person's understanding of the facts as they are known.

Not being a woman precludes me from having children, having an abortion, but it does not preclude me from getting cancer, the form of which will become secondary until you know you are less likely to die than more.

I in no way or form even implied that I knew what was best for you. I simply pointed out that my understanding of the facts was different than yours and presented the references as to why I have arrived at that conclusion.

Your introduction of your personal situation which you use as a deflection often, certainly is worthy of my concern, but it does nothing to either add or detract from this discussion nor the point I made with regard to credibility.

My gender should have no bearing as to my ability to discuss the facts or the morality of ANY subject.

Big Evil · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 22

Quote: My gender should have no bearing as to my ability to discuss the facts or the morality of ANY subject.
Why not? Aren't you the same person who said that a man should have no say in an abortion when the woman go's to the clinic?

I think my karma just ran you over.. :P

Gilbert1908 · Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 5357 Location: Boston, MA

Big Evil wrote: Quote: My gender should have no bearing as to my ability to discuss the facts or the morality of ANY subject.
Why not? Aren't you the same person who said that a man should have no say in an abortion when the woman go's to the clinic?

I think my karma just ran you over.. :P

You must have me mistaken for someone else, I do not believe that is true nor did I ever say such a thing.

In fact I have advocated the opposite many times. Since two of the most determining factors in abortion are the woman feeling unable to financally and/or emotionally support a child my belief is that every father SHOULD have direct input on the decision.

But it is legally true that no matter what a father might say he has no legal impact on the abortion decision.

So your karma missed me

Big Evil · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 22

That's what I get for riding a hyrbird, the conservatives warned me..

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

UrielsFyre wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Prole wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: Well, for the past 10 years there have been alot of differences in opinion, and if you dont mind, I am going to take all risks to MY HEALTH seriously. Furthermore, I took most of my EC pills BEFORE this so called "conclusive evidence" you bring up, and yet I still have a lump in my breast. Third off, it is ridiculous and absurd to ignore any potential risks, as most studies and organizations claim that "more research is needed" anyways.
Of course you should take risks to your health seriously. Real risks, that is. Not ones with no basis or evidence for their existance which you trump as a reason not to use EC pills.

Furthermore, I can practically gurantee that EC pill is much, much safer than pregnancy or any other method of abortion. Yes, gurantee.

I am not going to argue with you Gilb. I have seen enough conclusive evidence, and it goes back and forth anyways. Dont tell me you know whats best for me. You dont have a lump in your breast do you? Really, I would honestly be more inclined to listen if you did.

Quote: Sailor Moon wrote: My conclusion is that the synthetic hormones that exist in BC are harmful to womens health. I would think that this would be important to men, as well- being that our beautiful round breasts are SOOO important..... You would think this would be a top priority to men.
I am more concerned about womens' health than women's breasts' appearance, thank you very much. Though they're both pretty important.

Edited for grammar.

Well, be concerned about my own self image in my breasts, cause I am pretty sure the right one will be pretty damn deformed PRETTY SOON.... And my health is the REASON for that.

While I am sorry to hear that you will have to undergo surgery (and, truly I am....I'm not just being saying it), I must ask this question. As heartless as it may sound, why should I care about your self-image in relation to your breasts? Are you concerned with my self-image regarding my penis? I doubt it.

Self-image matters only to the self. Hence, SELF-image.

To argue that birth control has harmful effects and links to cancer is one thing. That relies on factual data. To argue that said cancer will have an effect on self-image, and should therefore concern everyone, is another.

No I said "MY" self image in the first place, DAMNIT!!!

Will you knock this sh*t off? Besides, I am quite certain thay MY self image will be poorly affected if my breast gets deformed.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Sorry Gilbert- I meant to write Proles name on there... I didnt manage to edit it... so I apologise that wasnt meant for you.

And yes personal stories mean alot, as this is a personal and private decision, and not one for anyone to tell anyone else not to share, or to say that it has no credibility.
If you dont like my stories, have at it, but dont tell me that they are not post-worthy, thank you very much.

And I will say it again, Emergency Contraception IS birth control pills, so it would be the same thing as making birth control pills OTC- as BCPs are ECs.