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Dr. Righteous · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 796 Location: Pittsburgh, PA

mr crunchy wrote: oswalds uncle ran #s for carlo marcello,godfather of neworleans
jack ruby ran a bar in dallas for carlo marcello

bobby k had marcello deported to guatamala for a variety of reasons
marcello was a sicilian who claimed guatamalen citizenship because sicilians were being attacked in neworleans after the war of the oranges claimed the life of the new orleans chief of police in the early part of the 1900s
marcello swore revenge
marcello got it with the assist of the grassy knoll gunmen and some inside help from the cia

there was no grassy knoll gunman.

KOV-14 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 133

One thing we know for SURE is that the assasin was an expert marksman. (thus ex-military)

mr crunchy · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 519 Location: boston

there was no grassy knoll gunman.

perhaps 100 eye witnesses will tell you differently

Dr. Righteous · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 796 Location: Pittsburgh, PA

mr crunchy wrote: there was no grassy knoll gunman.

perhaps 100 eye witnesses will tell you differently

The eye witnesses have dramatically changed their stories over time.

Why did zapruder and the woman behind him not jump when the alleged grassy knoll man fired his rifle? they were the closest...afterall... usually if a gun randomly goes off right behind you if you're not expecting it, you jump. Zapruder nor the woman steadying him while filming jumped, and he said he heard nothing behind him.

mr crunchy · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 519 Location: boston

good question

i have no answers but
i have seen the film of people pointing in the direction of the railroad area and the knoll as well as eye witness accounts that showed people on the knoll running,pointing and screaming as well as the eyewitnesses who saw people in suits with ear pieces on who mysteriously vanished..

if oswald was the only gunmen why did jfks head move in a direction that would indicate that he was hit from the knoll area on the kill shot??

many questions like the autopsy and the warren commisions report make me feel like we've been had by the this nations highest authorities.

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

KOV-14 wrote: One thing we know for SURE is that the assasin was an expert marksman. (thus ex-military)

Not really. It was not that difficult of a shot. And the first shot missed.

KOV-14 · Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 133

GTTofAK wrote: KOV-14 wrote: One thing we know for SURE is that the assasin was an expert marksman. (thus ex-military)

Not really. It was not that difficult of a shot. And the first shot missed.

I thought they couldn't figure out which one of the 3 had missed...

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

KOV-14 wrote: GTTofAK wrote: KOV-14 wrote: One thing we know for SURE is that the assasin was an expert marksman. (thus ex-military)

Not really. It was not that difficult of a shot. And the first shot missed.

I thought they couldn't figure out which one of the 3 had missed...

The first one missed becasue on the video Gov. Connally looked back.

A Promise Kept · Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 93

Here are my theories, how outrageous they may be. They are theories.

1) Lee Harvey Oswald was the only gunman. He was known to be obsessed with communism and lived in the Soviet Union after defecting and abandoning his military and his country. He also openly supported Cuba (he handed out flyers, he's got guts). But neither country would take him. He wanted to be recognized, so he shot an important person. The mistake of all this has to be that the president's motorcade route was published in the newspaper giving Oswald time to connect the dots.

2) The Mob was pretty pissed off at Bobby Kennedy the Attorney General. The mob thought that they had helped JFK win the election and got very angry when his administration got very tough on them. Oswald was just some pawn they conned into doing the job, while Jack Ruby who had ties to the mob was the hit man.

3) Cubans knew JFK wanted Fidel Castro dead and knew they would have to get rid of him to save their leader.

4)Soviet Union- The best way to take down a country is to eliminate the highest power a.k.a. the president.

5) The Kennedy family- The family may not have been in total agreement over civil rights and thought JFK was endangering them.

6) Police and Governor Connelly- The police did not react as quickly as they could have. Dallas was known to be a very dangerous place to be for JFK because of civil rights.

mr crunchy · Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 519 Location: boston

carlo marcello had 2 placards in his office

one read
""You dont kill a dog by cutting off his tail""

the 2nd
""3 people can keep a secret if 2 are dead""

read mafia kingfish
the story of the don of new orleans

ive read 10 books on conspiracy theories from cuba to russia to the cia the defense department the kkk etc

after reading this little paper back theres no doubt in my mind little carlo had a hand in this

this is all speculation of course and i dont know all for sure and those who do are slowly dying off

XeN0cidE · Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Alhambra, CA

Conspiricies are a load of crap, built by people who have "wild imaginations".... We may never truelly know who killed JFK, but one things for certain-Oswald had a hand in it. Isn't that better than nothing?

lucidnightmare · Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject:

I think Oswald did it.

I also think there is a psychological reason for conspiracy theories surrounding our celebrities.We don't like mundane things killing our heroes,web think that they are supposed to go out in a meaningful way.

Oswald was a nobody,how could a nobody kill such a great man?It seems wrong to us.How could Marilyn Monroe kill herself ,how could Elvis die of a heart attack(likely brought on by drugs)?We don't think these are fitting ends so we make their deaths mean more with mythology.

ClubbedtoDeath · Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 34

na i think oswald really did it- he was pretty deranged and was with no question capable of it.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 18599 Location: Bliss

FPS Doug..... :lol:

For those who get the joke I apologize, it truly is in bad taste.

XiangYu · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3956 Location: US

So Oswald did it and there was a Magic Bullet in the chamber of his gun... :rolleyes:

Jehan · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 3698 Location: Rhode Island

I'll go with Occam's Razor and say Oswald acted alone. He was an excellent shooter in the marines (even if he was unpopular) and missing at that range would have been very simple.

Bobicito · Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 274 Location: Ohio

I believe Oswald was guilty but I also believe that there may have been a second gunman because if Oswald had missed, a secod gunman may have come in hand.

Dr. Righteous · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 796 Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Oswald certainly was the only gunman - that's pretty well established and not disputed. However, who was backing him is the question. There appeared to be a massive cover-up by the government, most particularly the unexplained autospy pictures and how they differ greatly from the Zapruder film. (Kennedy's head is blown out the front in the Zapruder film and blown out the back in the autopsy photos.) This means the autopsy photos indicate a grassy knoll shooter, whereas the Zapruder film indicates there wasn't. Are the pictures fake? Or has the film been tampered with and Zapruder lied about it? And the bigger question is Why.

Canadian_Patriot · Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 323

The probem I have with Oswald is the fact an apparent sharpshooter missed the first shot very unprofessional. Also the bullet exited JFK's head this is also very unprofessional as trained assassins do not want exit wounds.

In regards to his career as a marksman he was ridiculed for his "bad marksmanship in 1956 at the age of 17. He was later moved to Japan (atsugi airbase) and trained to man radar. In regards to his CIA career this is yet unknown but atsugi base wa the main base of operations for the CIA in that region.

Also Oswald was not entitles to an attourney and was killed before he could go to court by a mobster who was later killed himself. Perhaps Oswald was gonna tell all because he realized he nothing more then a patsy.

The night of his arrest November 22 1963 at a press conference in Dallas he had said and i quote "I'm just a patsy" and his brother said in jail "don't beleive the so called evidence" on November 23.

In 1964 the New York Times had quoted Chairman Warren which he had stated "that full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security".This statement was made originally made for the Dallas Morning News.

Dr. Righteous · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 796 Location: Pittsburgh, PA

Canadian_Patriot wrote: The probem I have with Oswald is the fact an apparent sharpshooter missed the first shot very unprofessional. Also the bullet exited JFK's head this is also very unprofessional as trained assassins do not want exit wounds.

He was taking shots at the PRESIDENT. Do you think he would be able to keep it steady for the first shot?

You can't stop exit wounds with a high powered rifle.

Canadian_Patriot wrote: Also Oswald was not entitles to an attourney and was killed before he could go to court by a mobster who was later killed himself. Perhaps Oswald was gonna tell all because he realized he nothing more then a patsy.

Jack Ruby didn't kill himself, he died of cancer I believe.

Canadian_Patriot wrote: The night of his arrest November 22 1963 at a press conference in Dallas he had said and i quote "I'm just a patsy" and his brother said in jail "don't beleive the so called evidence" on November 23.

Whenever he was arrested, he said "I didn't kill no President". Seriously, who says that when they get arrested?