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superskippy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: A question about Islam |
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| What is the view of what happens to people who worship different faiths, but are good people in life? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: A question about Islam |
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superskippy wrote: What is the view of what happens to people who worship different faiths, but are good people in life?
They are judged by their laws, and might go to Heaven. I don't know about this issue 100%, but I can get back to you on it as soon as I have a reliable source.
Thanks for asking, though. :) |
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superskippy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks, I was reading some stuff from your link in your sig, and I was wondering another thing. Though it is professed that no violence or intolerance against Jews and Christians shall be taken, are they to be treated as equals under god?
I recall remebering something about "people of the book" but you would know more than me Moath.
Nice quote by the way. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: Thanks, I was reading some stuff from your link in your sig, and I was wondering another thing. Though it is professed that no violence or intolerance against Jews and Christians shall be taken, are they to be treated as equals under god?
I recall remebering something about "people of the book" but you would know more than me Moath.
Yes. Especially Christians and Jews, because they are the "People of the Book". We accept that God revealed the Torah to Moses and the Gospel to Jesus, but where they contradict with the Koran and Hadith (the sayings of the Prophet (PBUH)), we usually take the word of the Koran and Hadith 90% of the time. However, we believe that the Torah and Gospel prophesised the coming of our Prophet (PBUH), but that is another story altogether.
superskippy wrote: Nice quote by the way.
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Thanks, skippy. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a very tolerant and peaceful man, yet it saddens me that many people paint him as a simpleton and barbarian, which he wasn't at all. |
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superskippy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the information Moath :-D
Quote: Thanks, skippy. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a very tolerant and peaceful man, yet it saddens me that many people paint him as a simpleton and barbarian, which he wasn't at all.
I think for one of the few times on this Forum I couldnt agree more with you.
I have another question if you dont mind, what is the view on Atheists? Say an Atheist rejects god but lives a life of goodness and charity and by default follows the basic laws of god, but yet still rejects that god exists? Come to think of it I'm a little sketchy on that for my own faith...
Anyways sorry for contiually badgering you. :lol: |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: Thanks for the information Moath :-D
Quote: Thanks, skippy. The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a very tolerant and peaceful man, yet it saddens me that many people paint him as a simpleton and barbarian, which he wasn't at all.
I think for one of the few times on this Forum I couldnt agree more with you.
No problem. If you have any further questions, whether it be misconceptions about Islam, or any sort of Islamic perspective on a world issue, the doors are always open. :-D |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: I have another question if you dont mind, what is the view on Atheists? Say an Atheist rejects god but lives a life of goodness and charity and by default follows the basic laws of god, but yet still rejects that god exists? Come to think of it I'm a little sketchy on that for my own faith...
Anyways sorry for contiually badgering you.
No problem. We have a more tolerant view on Athiests and other non-Muslims alike than Christianity, I think. Non-Muslims all pay the 1% Jizya annual income tax, which goes to supporting the poor and needy, or building up the city. Muslims pay a 2.5% tax called the Zakat, which is also a religious duty.
As for doing good yet not recognizing God, I think Islam is clear on the issue: as long as they have not heard about God in their lifetime or some other "superior being", they can be granted mercy and heaven. Other than that, we view Athiests similar as Jews and Christians do.
The doors are always open for another question.:) |
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Glorfindel
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well first of all those jews and christians who learned about Islam and the message of Islam had reached them yet they chose not to convert and denied the prohpecy of Mohammed , they will not go to heaven , but to hell, if God wills it
but those jews who lived and died in the time of Moses and obeyed the teachings that was given by God to them will go to heaven..if God wills it... those jews who lived during the time of Jesus but denied his prophecy and didnt believe in him will go to hell if God wills it
and those jews who believed in in Jesus and lived by jesus' teachings will go to heaven... if god's wills it
but those christians and jews who now have not believed in mohammed's prophecy.. will have the same thing as those who had a messenger sent to them and didnt believe in him and obey his teachings...
being good in life and all is also great and those who do good things and lead a good peaceful life will be forgiven for their other sins... but won't be able to enter heaven unless they are muslims
the sin of not believing in god's messengers is a sin that can not be forgiven...
in the end.. God knows all and knows the destinies of everything and nothing can defy God's will..
peace |
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Zeeman
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Great discussion guys but I have to remind you that the only JUDGE of who goes where is GOD...
There is a verse in the Holy Quran that means that GOD forgives whom he pleases without accountability.This is a very complicated matter and unlike some religions that have the mentality of either you are with us or you are not going to heaven,Islam doesnt have that to that detail because of that verse..
THIS is only my humble opinion when it comes to understanding that verse.After all some of Gods names are Rahman and Raheem.Therefore this issue is very complicated and that is why it is only left to GOD. |
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Glorfindel
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Zeeman wrote: Great discussion guys but I have to remind you that the only JUDGE of who goes where is GOD...
There is a verse in the Holy Quran that means that GOD forgives whom he pleases without accountability.This is a very complicated matter and unlike some religions that have the mentality of either you are with us or you are not going to heaven,Islam doesnt have that to that detail because of that verse..
THIS is only my humble opinion when it comes to understanding that verse.After all some of Gods names are Rahman and Raheem.Therefore this issue is very complicated and that is why it is only left to GOD.
my dear brother... I exactly know what you say and thats why i concluded my post with this " in the end.. God knows all and knows the destinies of everything and nothing can defy God's will.. "
because I did not want to sound like I have the keys to Heaven and hell
everything is a subject to God's will
yet, my brother, the verse you mentioned is kept in mind, there are also verse that clarify what is expected of those who want to enter heaven... and believeing in prophet Mohammed is a part of the five pillars of Islam ...the second part of the Shahadah... there is no God but God and mohammed is his prophet... now this leave christians and Jews who already believe in one God ( set aside those christians who believe in Jesus as a God and the son of God as well, because that contradicts with the first part of the Shahadah) leave them with two options... either they submit and believe in Mohammed and then believe in his teachings... or deny his prophecy and deny his teachings...
again in the end, we don't know who will die a muslim and who will die something else, I pray to god that we all die muslims and have a good conclusion to our lives ....
thank you for trying to clarify this point
salam |
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