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F'losrix · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:

LDA wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Biologically, yes there is, because homosexuality prevents the use of a bodily function necessary for survival of the species.

Yeah, I agree. It seems like everyone is taking this more personally than they should. I'm not telling you that you don't love someone of the same sex. I've never suggested that. From a purely biological perspective, homosexuals serve no actual purpose. Yes; just like sterile heterosexuals. Biologically, they serve no purpose.
Well, there are some heterosexuals whose reproduction wasn't exactly beneficial, either.

Sage Orator · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 335

Quote: I disagree - it is worth mentioning. What purpose do nipples on men serve?
Quote: Sexual pleasure
So does homosexuals having sex. It is for sexual pleasure.

F'losrix · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:51 pm Post subject:

Sage Orator wrote: Quote: I disagree - it is worth mentioning. What purpose do nipples on men serve?
Quote: Sexual pleasure
So does homosexuals having sex. It is for sexual pleasure.

True, though of course our relationships aren't just about sex. They can be just as deep or shallow as any heterosexual relationship.

Sage Orator · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 335

Skeptical Mystic wrote: Sage Orator wrote: Quote: I disagree - it is worth mentioning. What purpose do nipples on men serve?
Quote: Sexual pleasure
So does homosexuals having sex. It is for sexual pleasure.

True, though of course our relationships aren't just about sex. They can be just as deep or shallow as any heterosexual relationship.
Yeah, I wasn't saying that, that is the only reason you have a relationship, but that when you have sex it is for pleasure as is having nipples on men.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5396 Location: Taxatraz

EugenicHegemony wrote: If it's true that you're (man/woman) who's (born) gay by natural design, then why can you procreate? It would seem to me that if you weren't put on this earth to coitus, then you wouldn't even be capable of procreation. Why aren't all homosexuals sterile?
It just might be the same reason that heterosexuals aren't sterile.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5396 Location: Taxatraz

Sage Orator wrote: Quote: I disagree - it is worth mentioning. What purpose do nipples on men serve?
Quote: Sexual pleasure
So does homosexuals having sex. It is for sexual pleasure.
All sex is for pleasure just like no friendship exists without a purpose. No one does anything just to do it.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5396 Location: Taxatraz

Demonic Spoon wrote: I was referring to the fact that homosexuality is not biologically correct.
It is a characteristic possessed by 2% to 4% of every species.

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Demonic Spoon wrote: Homosexuality is biologically wrong. That's a fact. Sex is for reproduction, and attraction is ment to aid in that.

Demonic Spoon wrote: I leave threads when arguements start, since debating is the purpose. There's a difference.

And homosexuality is "biologically wrong" because sex is a method of reproduction, to ensure the survival of the species. Sexual creatures evolved as a survival mechanism-sexual reproduction is better for large creatures than asexual reproduction, because sexual reproduction allows for more genetic variation, helping the process of evolution and conforming to ones surroundings. You need to understand WHY sexuality evolved-as a method of reproduction. It's not something creatures evolved just for the fun of it.

That statement doesn't make sense at all. You are assuming that survival through generations is the purpose of life. This assumption, however, is false to some extent as not all creatures aspire to ensure survival through generations. Thus, what you are actually doing by that argument is creating categories of "noramlity" and "abnormality". So your argument is basically a value judgement based on an assumption rather than an actual observation.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

LDA wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Biologically, yes there is, because homosexuality prevents the use of a bodily function necessary for survival of the species.

Yeah, I agree. It seems like everyone is taking this more personally than they should. I'm not telling you that you don't love someone of the same sex. I've never suggested that. From a purely biological perspective, homosexuals serve no actual purpose. Yes; just like sterile heterosexuals. Biologically, they serve no purpose.

Oh really? It's funny (strange funny, definitely not HAHA funny) that you are surprised that some people are 'taking this too personally' - but then you make statements like this.

As a woman with two children, who had sterility issues for YEARS (my son is adopted) - I have to ask...

What exactly IS my "purpose" biologically - or hell, just tell me what my PURPOSE is? You make it sound as though people who cannot reproduce, have no value? I beg to differ. I'm a mother to my children.

Surely, this is NOT what you are saying.

CaptainDankNuggets · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 137 Location: Highland, Usa

You cant be born gay its impossible !!!

F'losrix · Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject:

CaptainDankNuggets wrote: You cant be born gay its impossible !!!
An opinion for which you've offered no substantive supporting arguments. So we're free to ignore it as spew and little more.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9045

CaptainDankNuggets wrote: You cant be born gay its impossible !!!

And what is the basis for that argument, or your expertise in making that claim?

Do you have advanced degrees in sociology, psychology, and genetics? If not, have you consulted those who do?

Because, as it looks, you are just spouting off nothing more than unsubstantiated opinion.

floridaguy · Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 37 Location: Florida

CaptainDankNuggets wrote: You cant be born gay its impossible !!! How is it that you know this?

EugenicHegemony · Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 4658

Liberty4All wrote: No one does anything just to do it.

Nike would vehemently disagree with you. :wink:

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Demonic Spoon wrote: Homosexuality is biologically wrong. "wrong" What do you mean with "wrong" It sounds very much like a njon-biological value judgemnet to me. After all, homosexual behavior occurs in nature.

Quote: That's a fact. Sex is for reproduction, and attraction is ment to aid in that. Ah, so now you have resorted to the "facts" as you so dishonestly are trying to portray your "just bevause I say so" wishful thinking.

That's generally the sign of a fundie being backed into a corner in the face of overwhelming REAL facts.

Sex actually is for whatever purpose you ascribe it.

Your spouse/partner presumably is sexually frustrated because you ONLY EVER have sex for reproduction, right?

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Demonic Spoon wrote: No, I simply state the facts and don't sugar coat them to the PC. Hmm, from what I have seen, you state your beliefs and misrepresent them as "facts."

So your claim seems rather false.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Demonic Spoon wrote: BIOLOGICALLY sex is for reproduction. Humans have created other uses for it. So why do non-humans have non-reproductive sex? Your claim is ignorant.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

Demonic Spoon wrote: I was referring to the fact that homosexuality is not biologically correct. Ah, so what do you mean with "correct"? You seem to again trying to make an unwarranted value judgment and misusing science in the process (My pet pewee, BTW)

Quote: And homosexuality is "biologically wrong" because sex is a method of reproduction, to ensure the survival of the species. ...... It's not something creatures evolved just for the fun of it. But some species are using it just for that.

Quote: You miss the point. Attraction is to AID the survival of the species. Gays can have children biologically, yes, but attraction increases the chances of children, And some species uses sex for other than reproduction as well.

steen · Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 1430 Location: Upper Midwest

CaptainDankNuggets wrote: You cant be born gay its impossible !!! Unsubstantiated "just because I say so" postulation. So what :roll:

Rozzlapeed · Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Posts: 425 Location: Scottsdale, AZ

EugenicHegemony wrote: If it's true that you're (man/woman) who's (born) gay by natural design, then why can you procreate? It would seem to me that if you weren't put on this earth to coitus, then you wouldn't even be capable of procreation. Why aren't all homosexuals sterile?

There is no design, and nature does not have a mind to mean anything.

If a gay person means to reproduce, then they are going to reproduce, whether or not anyone else means for them to do it.

Personally, though, I don't do it for pleasure or for reproduction. I have sex to exert my masculine dominance over women. I use it as a means for control and objectification, as well as a way for me to suppress my own insecurities and massive self-doubt.

So, whatever floats your boat, right?