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Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

politicalmojo wrote: There haven't been a large amount of terror attacks because there are still a large contingent of people who know that blowing yourself up will not solve any problems. But while they cant't blow anything up they'll have fun burning down some embassies in the process.

They kill in the name of religion. The current war in Iraq is not waged on religion.

It just seems that a whole lot more of your people from your religion are killing people that my religion. They are killing in the name of that religion. What is a religion without its followers. Just an observation.

The bolded argument is as correct as "the earth is flat".
Do you not get it? I'm talking about a minority of Muslims that are outspoken. Just because these few followers advocate your death doesn't mean that Islam does. We don't, and you know it. And we told you hundreds of times before, yet you are not convinced. Just because they say they kill in the name of religion does not mean that the religion advocates such a thing.

God said in the Koran "and do not kill except for a just cause in defense...".

Ozzone wrote: As it should be. Tolerance does not override freedom of speech. If I was a judge, I would have thrown it out of court the first instance because it is not illegal.

It is illegal because excusing intolerance in the name of tolerance is BS.

Ozzone wrote: So the Muslims didn't get their way and turned to violence? Gotcha. Like we are surprised.

I'm surprised at you. You speak as if ALL Muslims became violent, yet you know that this is a minority you're dealing with. An OUTSPOKEN minority. I don't advocate such an act of rioting to begin with.

Ozzone wrote: Enough of them aren't is pretty obvious. Too damn many of them aren't peaceful.

Many of them, but not MOST of them. What don't you get? You watch too much TV.

Ozzone wrote: But unlikes Muslims, when Christians turn to violence they get arrested. How many nutjobs in the Middle East have gotten arrested?

Lots, but the police failed in the end. Not for desire of failure, but because they failed to restrain. AQ is already down where I am at.

Ozzone wrote: But it's religion that they are using as their base argument.

So let me get this straight: if you were to listen to a nutjob use religion as his base argument to kill 6 million Jews, would you believe him? I think NOT.

Ozzone wrote: Moath, as many times as you are going to deny that religion is the cause of what's going on right now, your argument has zero credibility when every other word about this is blasphemy. You can say it a million times, but religion is the main and absolute reason why this is blowing up.

No. Islam is not the reason they are doing this. The people are. Islam is not deadly. People are. You fail to see the logic of my argument, so you have zero credibility.

Ozzone wrote: That's the problem. The other 98% are getting slammed because of the 2% that are out of control and they won't do anything about it except tell them to stop. Words are cheap.

We're doing something about it as well. Just because it doesn't seem so doesn't mean we are.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

politicalmojo wrote: Then if those calling for peace is such a huge majority then why don't they ACT. Obviously with your superior numbers you could easily destroy such an influential opposition. Did you know that no middle east country has denounced terrorism on the grounds that it is against Islam. That is interesting since the Middle East is probably the largest theocratic section of world still left.

Did you know that all Middle Eastern countries denounced terrorism on the grounds that they are against Islam, but you in the West refused to listen to their arguments? The only theocratic states in the MidEast are the KSA and Iran. And Muslims are spread too far and thin to begin with, and we're not a united body as you think we are.

mojo · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 5537 Location: Dreamland, NC

Moath wrote: politicalmojo wrote: There haven't been a large amount of terror attacks because there are still a large contingent of people who know that blowing yourself up will not solve any problems. But while they cant't blow anything up they'll have fun burning down some embassies in the process.

They kill in the name of religion. The current war in Iraq is not waged on religion.

It just seems that a whole lot more of your people from your religion are killing people that my religion. They are killing in the name of that religion. What is a religion without its followers. Just an observation.

The bolded argument is as correct as "the earth is flat".
Do you not get it? I'm talking about a minority of Muslims that are outspoken. Just because these few followers advocate your death doesn't mean that Islam does. We don't, and you know it. And we told you hundreds of times before, yet you are not convinced. Just because they say they kill in the name of religion does not mean that the religion advocates such a thing.

Really sounds like a pretty plausible argument to me. Whats the point of a religion if its followers dont interpret it the way it was meant to be interpreted. These aren't little sins like the Christians are guilty of commiting these are ginormous ones like for instance running planes into buildings. That seems like a fairly large misinterpretation.

I provided you with a poll earlier that showed Muslim sentiment toward the US. Now if you are so write can you please provede me a poll that is in favor of Isreal's right ot exist or a poll that showed that they don't support terror.

Gremlin · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 7877 Location: On the Run.

Ozzone wrote:

Quote: You mentioned "peaceful" Muslims. The religion, Islam, is peaceful, but not all of its followers are.

Enough of them aren't is pretty obvious. Too damn many of them aren't peaceful.

This one caught my eye, the same can be said about Americans.

Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

politicalmojo wrote: Moath wrote: politicalmojo wrote: There haven't been a large amount of terror attacks because there are still a large contingent of people who know that blowing yourself up will not solve any problems. But while they cant't blow anything up they'll have fun burning down some embassies in the process.

They kill in the name of religion. The current war in Iraq is not waged on religion.

It just seems that a whole lot more of your people from your religion are killing people that my religion. They are killing in the name of that religion. What is a religion without its followers. Just an observation.

The bolded argument is as correct as "the earth is flat".
Do you not get it? I'm talking about a minority of Muslims that are outspoken. Just because these few followers advocate your death doesn't mean that Islam does. We don't, and you know it. And we told you hundreds of times before, yet you are not convinced. Just because they say they kill in the name of religion does not mean that the religion advocates such a thing.

Really sounds like a pretty plausible argument to me. Whats the point of a religion if its followers dont interpret it the way it was meant to be interpreted. These aren't little sins like the Christians are guilty of commiting these are ginormous ones like for instance running planes into buildings. That seems like a fairly large misinterpretation.

I provided you with a poll earlier that showed Muslim sentiment toward the US. Now if you are so write can you please provede me a poll that is in favor of Isreal's right ot exist or a poll that showed that they don't support terror.

So all Christians should be associated with Fred Phelps? People interpret things in radically different ways. People on here for example range from those who only take the Bible in a loose sort of moral sense and those who take it word for word.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

politicalmojo wrote: Really sounds like a pretty plausible argument to me. Whats the point of a religion if its followers dont interpret it the way it was meant to be interpreted. These aren't little sins like the Christians are guilty of commiting these are ginormous ones like for instance running planes into buildings. That seems like a fairly large misinterpretation.

I provided you with a poll earlier that showed Muslim sentiment toward the US. Now if you are so write can you please provede me a poll that is in favor of Isreal's right ot exist or a poll that showed that they don't support terror.

Here's the poll:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/92C2A0B5-793F-4409-9CEA-A4F7E4985850.htm
The story of Hamas is something else altogether. I already mentioned that it's not just a petty terrorist group, but also a group that provides for the Palestinians. The Palestinians didn't support "terror", but they supported the party that cared FOR them.
Also, as I have provided countless times, Islam is against such an act. Radicalization in Islam is great, I know, and it's an outspoken minority. Yet, they get the most media coverage. You will not find a lot of Muslims supporting Bin Laden or his bunch. We're all anti-terrorist and pro-Palestinian here in the Middle East.

Republicant · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1543 Location: Inside my skin

Moath wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

You're asking for a lot, so here goes...

Before the cartoons were posted, France and several other countries became racially intolerant towards Muslims (story of the riots, and the denouncing of the hijab). This contributed to the pretext for the rioting we see today.

The cartoons were brought up in September on Jyllands Posten. When several Danish Muslims saw the cartoons, they were offended because it contained very insulting depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Muslims are not allowed to depict him, and such depiction is blasphemous. Many baseless myths have been made surrounding the Prophet (PBUH), all of them demeaning him as a figure. He was far from being what the cartoons depicted him as.

So, these Danish Muslims did not start ravaging about. Instead, they petitioned to several Muslim ambassadors including the European Council for Muslims. These ambassadors went to court to sue the newspaper for intolerance, but it was refuted. So, the newspapers Jyllands Posten and Norway's Magazinet republished the cartoons. Letters of repeal were sent to the newspapers demanding an apology and/or a renouncing of the cartoons. When this did not happen, boycotting ensued, and then rioting started.

You mentioned "peaceful" Muslims. The religion, Islam, is peaceful, but not all of its followers are. Likewise, the followers of Christianity are not always peaceful, yet the religion itself is. People are the ones who stir up conflict, not religion. I keep hearing these senseless arguments by people saying "count how many were slaughtered by the religion of peace". It doesn't make sense to begin with! Religion does not kill people. People kill people.

Muslims constitute 1.3 billion of the world's population. And 2% of that number is a LOT. The majority of Muslims like myself are taking the peaceful response: boycotting or ignoring.

To learn more about Islam, visit:
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.muhammad.net/
http://www.al-quran.org.uk/

Moath I do truly apologize for calling you out ! I should read all the rules before I get banned :) . I truly am interested in your reply I am not just messing with you . I only know a few Muslims but one of my best friends converted from Muslim to Catholic after coming to the US from Jordan . I don't get to hear the average Muslims response a lot . Again if that broke some kind of forum rule please accept my personal apologies

SamJ2K5 · Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 685

Eduffy80911 wrote: The moral of the story:

RELIGION s*cks

I am sorry that these demons have turned you away from the greatness of religion.....
I am really not that religious..... I go to church on Sunday but I am not big into dressing up and looking like a perfect church-goer.....
I strive for a personal relationship with God..... That is the only thing worth striving for in organized religion.....

The demons strive for virgins and death..... I dont care how "devout" they are.....

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

Republicant wrote: Moath I do truly apologize for calling you out ! I should read all the rules before I get banned . I truly am interested in your reply I am not just messing with you . I only know a few Muslims but one of my best friends converted from Muslim to Catholic after coming to the US from Jordan . I don't get to hear the average Muslims response a lot . Again if that broke some kind of forum rule please accept my personal apologies

Apologies accepted.

Ozzone · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:37 pm Post subject:

Moath wrote: Ozzone wrote: As it should be. Tolerance does not override freedom of speech. If I was a judge, I would have thrown it out of court the first instance because it is not illegal.

It is illegal because excusing intolerance in the name of tolerance is BS.

No it isn't illegal and your comment is BS.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: So the Muslims didn't get their way and turned to violence? Gotcha. Like we are surprised.

I'm surprised at you. You speak as if ALL Muslims became violent, yet you know that this is a minority you're dealing with. An OUTSPOKEN minority. I don't advocate such an act of rioting to begin with.

Ok, forgive me. Let me rewrite it.

So the Muslims didn't get their way and many turned to violence?

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Enough of them aren't is pretty obvious. Too damn many of them aren't peaceful.

Many of them, but not MOST of them. What don't you get? You watch too much TV.

I said too damn many. Not most. TV has nothing to do with it. Nice attempt at a watered down personal attack.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: But unlikes Muslims, when Christians turn to violence they get arrested. How many nutjobs in the Middle East have gotten arrested?

Lots,

Can you prove that? I haven't seen Muslims getting arrested for the current violence in the Middle East. Oh wait, I forgot, our media won't report it.

Quote: but the police failed in the end.

Obviously that too damn many (I mentioned earlier) is more than the police.

Quote: Not for desire of failure, but because they failed to restrain.

Why? Because the police suck or because there weren't near enough of them?

Quote: AQ is already down where I am at.

What do you mean down?

Quote: Ozzone wrote: But it's religion that they are using as their base argument.

So let me get this straight: if you were to listen to a nutjob use religion as his base argument to kill 6 million Jews, would you believe him? I think NOT.

Yep, I would. So you are saying now the RIFs are lying about religion being the reason? When they start quoting the Koran, seems pretty blatant to me.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Moath, as many times as you are going to deny that religion is the cause of what's going on right now, your argument has zero credibility when every other word about this is blasphemy. You can say it a million times, but religion is the main and absolute reason why this is blowing up.

No. Islam is not the reason they are doing this. The people are. Islam is not deadly. People are. You fail to see the logic of my argument, so you have zero credibility.

Make that a million and one times.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: That's the problem. The other 98% are getting slammed because of the 2% that are out of control and they won't do anything about it except tell them to stop. Words are cheap.

We're doing something about it as well. Just because it doesn't seem so doesn't mean we are.
Seems your success is non-existent. Maybe you guys need to try a little harder and actually make an impact.

Trajan · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 6584 Location: SE PA

politicalmojo wrote: Trajan wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers. And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo. While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority.

First, it does not matter how long ago it happened. Second, Islam is at the same stage as Christianity was about 1300Ad or so, claim some. Third, islam has appox 1.2-1.5 billion followers. So you say at least 751,000,000 are a healthy majority. Of what you don't say. But I want to see the proof of that.

Trajan · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 6584 Location: SE PA

Ozzone wrote: Trajan wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers.

Well it wouldn't be so easy if the true followers spoke up more, but instead all we seem to hear are the nutjobs.

Quote: And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

Hell, while we're at it, let's not forget cave men clubbing each other over a meal. I believe our society has advanceed way beyond that, but if you must constantly bring up things 100s of years ago to prove a point and ignore what is happening today, go right ahead. The intelligent ones on here will just ignore it.

Will the intelligent ones show what religion the cavemen were? What happens today is what happened over the centuries. Now if the intelligent ones learned from history, we wouldn't have constant repeats, would we.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

Ozzone wrote: No it isn't illegal and your comment is BS.

Did you know that the cartoon wasn't the sole reason for protesting? Europe's intolerance for Muslims drove them into this rage.

Ozzone wrote: So the Muslims didn't get their way and many turned to violence?

Not all of them, and you know it. I already proved that the majority is boycotting, yet your media sticks to the minority.

Ozzone wrote: I said too damn many. Not most. TV has nothing to do with it. Nice attempt at a watered down personal attack.

Thank you. Your sarcasm wasn't necessary.

Ozzone wrote: Can you prove that? I haven't seen Muslims getting arrested for the current violence in the Middle East. Oh wait, I forgot, our media won't report it.

Exactly. Your media won't report it. They'd rather focus on the violent protests than the attempts to stop such violence and those who are boycotting.

Ozzone wrote: Obviously that too damn many (I mentioned earlier) is more than the police.

Well, excuse me for not butting in and trying to "stop" it. I'm not s*cking up to anyone.

Ozzone wrote: Why? Because the police suck or because there weren't near enough of them?

Because the police s*ck.

Ozzone wrote: What do you mean down?

The KSA govt. took care of them

Ozzone wrote: Yep, I would. So you are saying now the RIFs are lying about religion being the reason? When they start quoting the Koran, seems pretty blatant to me.

Put into context. If an abortion clinic bomber justified his action using verses from the Bible, would that be correct? No.

Ozzone wrote: Make that a million and one times.

No. You have zero credibility. I have credibility because I'm Muslim, I know my people and my religion. If what the radicals are saying is true, then a lot more attacks would have happened. But why do they not? Because radicals are not the true face of Islam.

Ozzone wrote: Seems your success is non-existent. Maybe you guys need to try a little harder and actually make an impact.

Again, your media fails to report.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CC93CDFD-FF84-40AB-B6E6-C6D2DF4D3DE8.htm
Even after a failed attempt, the government knows its stance was at best.

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7747 Location: Manchestar, innit

From his statements, one could conclude that OBL sees/saw himself as a holy warrior, on a jihad to throw out the crusaders. He is effectively promoting a worldview that could be called "medieval" in a European context, as can perhaps the dreams of a caliphate. This call to jihad may be made by extremists, but to many Muslims (particularly those immediately concerned) "get these crusaders out of the ummah" does not fall on deaf ears.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

bob.appleyard wrote: From his statements, one could conclude that OBL sees/saw himself as a holy warrior, on a jihad to throw crusaders. He is effectively promoting a worldview that could be called "medieval" in a European context, although the Crusades carried on a bit longer for the Muslims, a war which they could say they won rather decisively. This call to jihad may be made by extremists, but to many Muslims (particularly those immediately concerned) "get these crusaders out of the ummah" does not fall on deaf ears.

That's what I was trying to say: OBL and his bunch are not part of the Ummah anymore.

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7747 Location: Manchestar, innit

Moath wrote: bob.appleyard wrote: From his statements, one could conclude that OBL sees/saw himself as a holy warrior, on a jihad to throw crusaders. He is effectively promoting a worldview that could be called "medieval" in a European context, although the Crusades carried on a bit longer for the Muslims, a war which they could say they won rather decisively. This call to jihad may be made by extremists, but to many Muslims (particularly those immediately concerned) "get these crusaders out of the ummah" does not fall on deaf ears.

That's what I was trying to say: OBL and his bunch are not part of the Ummah anymore.

Are excommunications possible in Islam? Is that your judgement? They certainly don't deserve its protection.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

bobappleyard wrote: Are excommunications possible in Islam? Is that your judgement? They certainly don't deserve its protection.

What I meant is that OBL are not part of the Islamic community in that they have wrongly used religion to justify their nefarious ends.

As for their calls to get non-Muslims from among us, those are heard, but are not listened to: non-Muslims live among us peacefully. We don't want to protect these bastards, if that's what you mean.

Ummah = Islamic community.

Ozzone · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject:

Moath wrote: Ozzone wrote: No it isn't illegal and your comment is BS.

Did you know that the cartoon wasn't the sole reason for protesting? Europe's intolerance for Muslims drove them into this rage.

That still doesn't justify burning down embassys. If they don't like it, they can leave.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: So the Muslims didn't get their way and many turned to violence?

Not all of them, and you know it. I already proved that the majority is boycotting, yet your media sticks to the minority.

Yep our media is famous for showing the actions of the vocal minority. Especially when they riot and burn down buildings.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: I said too damn many. Not most. TV has nothing to do with it. Nice attempt at a watered down personal attack.

Thank you. Your sarcasm wasn't necessary.

Your welcome. Nor was your personal attack.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Can you prove that? I haven't seen Muslims getting arrested for the current violence in the Middle East. Oh wait, I forgot, our media won't report it.

Exactly. Your media won't report it. They'd rather focus on the violent protests than the attempts to stop such violence and those who are boycotting.

Then how about instead of saying it is happening, prove it. Show us links. Doesn't Al Jazeera report it?

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Obviously that too damn many (I mentioned earlier) is more than the police.

Well, excuse me for not butting in and trying to "stop" it. I'm not s*cking up to anyone.

Sucking up? No, you'd rather come on here and keep claiming it's a small minority. I guess your police is even a smaller minority. Ponder that for a moment.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Why? Because the police suck or because there weren't near enough of them?

Because the police s*ck.

No wonder you guys have so many problems over there. Get some decent law enforcement.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: What do you mean down?

The KSA govt. took care of them

Good. Now if they could only take care of Syria and Iran.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Yep, I would. So you are saying now the RIFs are lying about religion being the reason? When they start quoting the Koran, seems pretty blatant to me.

Put into context. If an abortion clinic bomber justified his action using verses from the Bible, would that be correct? No.

What be correct? His justification or the fact he is using religion as an excuse? I choose the later.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Make that a million and one times.

No. You have zero credibility. I have credibility because I'm Muslim, I know my people and my religion. If what the radicals are saying is true, then a lot more attacks would have happened. But why do they not? Because radicals are not the true face of Islam.

So your argument that you have credibility and I don't is because you are Muslim and I'm not? :rofl: I'll remember that the next time you make a comment about anything American, be it government or our society. I can't wait to throw the zero credibility card at you. Maybe I should look for some of your past posts.

Quote: Ozzone wrote: Seems your success is non-existent. Maybe you guys need to try a little harder and actually make an impact.

Again, your media fails to report.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CC93CDFD-FF84-40AB-B6E6-C6D2DF4D3DE8.htm
Even after a failed attempt, the government knows its stance was at best.

Our media did not fail to report it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183901,00.html

Lo and behold, Fox of all people.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16427 Location: On Earth

Ozzone wrote: That still doesn't justify burning down embassys. If they don't like it, they can leave.

I'm not defending those people, Ozzone. That's my point.

Ozzone wrote: Yep our media is famous for showing the actions of the vocal minority. Especially when they riot and burn down buildings.

It sure is. Your sarcasm wasn't necessary.

Ozzone wrote: Then how about instead of saying it is happening, prove it. Show us links. Doesn't Al Jazeera report it?

Here:
http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/
Quote: The actions of these lunatics have been condemned by everyone from the MCB to MPAC to Hizb ut-Tahrir. Nobody has defended them. My own view, for what it's worth, is that the police should have intervened and arrested the provocateurs, and prosecuted them under the Public Order Act.

Ozzone wrote: Sucking up? No, you'd rather come on here and keep claiming it's a small minority. I guess your police is even a smaller minority. Ponder that for a moment.

It's not our police. They did a bad job in maintaining the peace, but when you have hundreds of protesters, it's hard to do so.
No wonder there are no riots in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Just Lebanon and Syria, where the police force is not too strong.

Ozzone wrote: No wonder you guys have so many problems over there. Get some decent law enforcement.

We don't need any. We've got lower crime rates than the states:
http://www.uib.no/jais/v004ht/04-111-131.htm

Ozzone wrote: What be correct? His justification or the fact he is using religion as an excuse? I choose the later.

So would the AQ nutcases. They use religion as an excuse. That's what I meant in the case of the abortion clinic bomber. He seemingly justifies his actions by saying so. Hitler did the same thing with the Holocaust, yet we're not attacking Christianity out of it, because we know what a religion Christianity is. Islam is the same. No better. No worse.

Ozzone wrote: So your argument that you have credibility and I don't is because you are Muslim and I'm not? I'll remember that the next time you make a comment about anything American, be it government or our society. I can't wait to throw the zero credibility card at you. Maybe I should look for some of your past posts.

Get ready to be owned:
I frequent the West, and I know of its policies.

Ozzone wrote: Our media did not fail to report it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183901,00.html

Lo and behold, Fox of all people.

Good for them. They didn't report things like these, though:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7A3EA083-2042-469E-82C5-A6A533B589C1.htm
http://www.ameinfo.com/76564.html
http://feeds.denmarknews.net/?rid=0d255dae628ba034&cat=361525af21fa2cde&f=1
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2006%20News%20Archives/January/30n/Boycott%20of%20Danish%20products%20spreads%20to%20UAE.htm
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=36047
That's what the 98% of Muslims are doing.

How you love to bash Muslims. You know something? I'd like to bash Christians for going into the war on Iraq and draining the oil from the country. I'd like to bash Christians for not doing something about the corruption in the US admin. But you know what? I don't. Because this is a political problem, not religious.

Reform · Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:

It's all a stupid ploy to create resentment. Some token muslim was even sent by the oligarchs to stir up the s**t by showing even more insulting cartoons with the prophet portrayed as a pig.

Everyone should take these occurences for what they are, manipulation.