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[Republicant]

Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

[thefranzkafkafront]

This should have been done in Pm, calling someone out is most certainly not a good mannerism.

Also this 'relgion of peace' crap in general needs to be cut in its entirety.

[Gremlin]

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=48391

just in case you missed it... or decided not to read it.

This thread is a bad play, show a little class.

[Trajan]

Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers. And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

[mojo]

Trajan wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers. And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo. While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority.

[Saracen]

Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

You're asking for a lot, so here goes...

Before the cartoons were posted, France and several other countries became racially intolerant towards Muslims (story of the riots, and the denouncing of the hijab). This contributed to the pretext for the rioting we see today.

The cartoons were brought up in September on Jyllands Posten. When several Danish Muslims saw the cartoons, they were offended because it contained very insulting depictions of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Muslims are not allowed to depict him, and such depiction is blasphemous. Many baseless myths have been made surrounding the Prophet (PBUH), all of them demeaning him as a figure. He was far from being what the cartoons depicted him as.

So, these Danish Muslims did not start ravaging about. Instead, they petitioned to several Muslim ambassadors including the European Council for Muslims. These ambassadors went to court to sue the newspaper for intolerance, but it was refuted. So, the newspapers Jyllands Posten and Norway's Magazinet republished the cartoons. Letters of repeal were sent to the newspapers demanding an apology and/or a renouncing of the cartoons. When this did not happen, boycotting ensued, and then rioting started.

You mentioned "peaceful" Muslims. The religion, Islam, is peaceful, but not all of its followers are. Likewise, the followers of Christianity are not always peaceful, yet the religion itself is. People are the ones who stir up conflict, not religion. I keep hearing these senseless arguments by people saying "count how many were slaughtered by the religion of peace". It doesn't make sense to begin with! Religion does not kill people. People kill people.

Muslims constitute 1.3 billion of the world's population. And 2% of that number is a LOT. The majority of Muslims like myself are taking the peaceful response: boycotting or ignoring.

To learn more about Islam, visit:
http://www.islam-guide.com/
http://www.muhammad.net/
http://www.al-quran.org.uk/

[thefranzkafkafront]

politicalmojo wrote: Trajan wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers. And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo.
From memory its still a little bit hesitant over the inqusition.

Quote:
While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority. Islam is no where near as unifed as christianity.

Also Hammas being elected was 'democracy' in action.

A healthy majority, can you prove that stastically?

[Saracen]

politicalmojo wrote: All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo. While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority.

Ugh, more of your rash assumptions. I live in the Middle East, and I know my stats. If they were in the majority, there would have been a helluva lot more terror attacks than what you're seeing. Palestinians elected Hamas for a reason, other than them being what you call a terrorist group.

Would it be fair to say that innocents of Iraqis are being slaughtered by the religion of Love we know as Christianity? Of course not! It doesn't make sense.

Religion does not kill people. People kill people.

[Saracen]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: politicalmojo wrote: Trajan wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers. And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo.
From memory its still a little bit hesitant over the inqusition.

Quote:
While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority. Islam is no where near as unifed as christianity.

Also Hammas being elected was 'democracy' in action.

A healthy majority, can you prove that stastically?

My sentiments exactly.

[Gremlin]

Moath wrote: politicalmojo wrote: All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo. While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority.

Ugh, more of your rash assumptions. I live in the Middle East, and I know my stats. If they were in the majority, there would have been a helluva lot more terror attacks than what you're seeing. Palestinians elected Hamas for a reason, other than them being what you call a terrorist group.

Would it be fair to say that innocents of Iraqis are being slaughtered by the religion of Love we know as Christianity? Of course not! It doesn't make sense.

Religion does not kill people. People kill people.

:tu:

[Ozzone]

Trajan wrote: Republicant wrote: Whats the deal with a few little cartoons ????

How come flag burnings and death threats from all those peacefull Muslims ?

If Christians got upset anytime a cartoon poked fun at Christianity the earth would be scorched and Humankind would cease to exist .

Shed some light on this for those who truly want to believe the Muslims Religion is a Religion of peace ?

Why don't you stop lumping the nutjobs in with the true followers.

Well it wouldn't be so easy if the true followers spoke up more, but instead all we seem to hear are the nutjobs.

Quote: And let's not forget things like witch burnings/hangings/tortures, the Inquisition, and that little spat called the Thirty Years War. Or the French Wars of Religion.

Hell, while we're at it, let's not forget cave men clubbing each other over a meal. I believe our society has advanceed way beyond that, but if you must constantly bring up things 100s of years ago to prove a point and ignore what is happening today, go right ahead. The intelligent ones on here will just ignore it.

[Saracen]

Ozzone wrote: Well it wouldn't be so easy if the true followers spoke up more, but instead all we seem to hear are the nutjobs.

That's because of your media coverage.

Ozzone wrote: Hell, while we're at it, let's not forget cave men clubbing each other over a meal. I believe our society has advanceed way beyond that, but if you must constantly bring up things 100s of years ago to prove a point and ignore what is happening today, go right ahead. The intelligent ones on here will just ignore it.

Guess what? So has ours. I keep telling you over and over again, yet you refuse to listen. :roll:

[mojo]

5000 Pakastani protestors yelling "Hang the man who insulted the prophet".

Yeah this sounds extremely tolerant and peaceful. :roll:

Lets be honest this isn't a minorty opinion we are dealing with. We are dealing with a culture supported by Islam that advocates death and destruction. Then they firmly renounce any aspect of reason. This is portrayed well by the Iranians president's claim that the Holocaust never happened. The Middle East is run by these murderers. Anyone who disagrees with them is killed or harassed into submission.

[Eduffy80911]

The moral of the story:

RELIGION s*cks

[Ozzone]

Moath wrote: These ambassadors went to court to sue the newspaper for intolerance, but it was refuted.

As it should be. Tolerance does not override freedom of speech. If I was a judge, I would have thrown it out of court the first instance because it is not illegal.

Quote: So, the newspapers Jyllands Posten and Norway's Magazinet republished the cartoons. Letters of repeal were sent to the newspapers demanding an apology and/or a renouncing of the cartoons. When this did not happen, boycotting ensued, and then rioting started.

So the Muslims didn't get their way and turned to violence? Gotcha. Like we are surprised.

Quote: You mentioned "peaceful" Muslims. The religion, Islam, is peaceful, but not all of its followers are.

Enough of them aren't is pretty obvious. Too damn many of them aren't peaceful.

Quote: Likewise, the followers of Christianity are not always peaceful, yet the religion itself is.

But unlikes Muslims, when Christians turn to violence they get arrested. How many nutjobs in the Middle East have gotten arrested?

Quote: People are the ones who stir up conflict, not religion.

But it's religion that they are using as their base argument.

Quote: I keep hearing these senseless arguments by people saying "count how many were slaughtered by the religion of peace". It doesn't make sense to begin with! Religion does not kill people. People kill people.

Moath, as many times as you are going to deny that religion is the cause of what's going on right now, your argument has zero credibility when every other word about this is blasphemy. You can say it a million times, but religion is the main and absolute reason why this is blowing up.

Quote: Muslims constitute 1.3 billion of the world's population. And 2% of that number is a LOT. The majority of Muslims like myself are taking the peaceful response: boycotting or ignoring.

That's the problem. The other 98% are getting slammed because of the 2% that are out of control and they won't do anything about it except tell them to stop. Words are cheap.

[mojo]

Moath wrote: politicalmojo wrote: All of those events happened many years ago. Not to mention that the Church has specifically apologized for past crimes against others. This includes the crusades and the papacies persecution of Galileo. While Islam has continually advocated the use of force as the best practice of jihad. (Jihad can be waged by peaceful means as well) Not to mention that the Palestanian people elected terrorists to their government further villifing what everyone knows deep down. These Muslims are not a fringe minority but a healthy majority.

Ugh, more of your rash assumptions. I live in the Middle East, and I know my stats. If they were in the majority, there would have been a helluva lot more terror attacks than what you're seeing. Palestinians elected Hamas for a reason, other than them being what you call a terrorist group.

Would it be fair to say that innocents of Iraqis are being slaughtered by the religion of Love we know as Christianity? Of course not! It doesn't make sense.

Religion does not kill people. People kill people.

There haven't been a large amount of terror attacks because there are still a large contingent of people who know that blowing yourself up will not solve any problems. But while they cant't blow anything up they'll have fun burning down some embassies in the process.

They kill in the name of religion. The current war in Iraq is not waged on religion.

It just seems that a whole lot more of your people from your religion are killing people that my religion. They are killing in the name of that religion. What is a religion without its followers. Just an observation.

[Saracen]

politicalmojo wrote: 5000 Pakastani protestors yelling "Hang the man who insulted the prophet".

Yeah this sounds extremely tolerant and peaceful. :roll:

Lets be honest this isn't a minorty opinion we are dealing with. We are dealing with a culture supported by Islam that advocates death and destruction. Then they firmly renounce any aspect of reason. This is portrayed well by the Iranians president's claim that the Holocaust never happened. The Middle East is run by these murderers. Anyone who disagrees with them is killed or harassed into submission.

That is not true. Man, you believe the media too much. The culture you're talking about is the terrorist culture, not the culture of the Middle East, because you don't know about it to begin with. I already said we're dealing with a radicalized 2% of the entire Muslim population.

The religion itself is tolerant, and there are hundred millions of tolerant Muslims out there. Just because there are some intolerant people doesn't mean the religion or culture of the Middle East itself is intolerant. We are reasonable, and we know much. Just because there are a lot of people calling for such a thing doesn't mean that this is the culture. It's the people.

[Ozzone]

Moath wrote: Ozzone wrote: Well it wouldn't be so easy if the true followers spoke up more, but instead all we seem to hear are the nutjobs.

That's because of your media coverage.

Join the club. We don't control the media as much as they continue to berate the war in Iraq showing problems 99% of the time. Those of us that support this war don't like it, but we haven't started burning down their offices. Maybe your religion should start boycotting the media too.

Ozzone wrote: Hell, while we're at it, let's not forget cave men clubbing each other over a meal. I believe our society has advanceed way beyond that, but if you must constantly bring up things 100s of years ago to prove a point and ignore what is happening today, go right ahead. The intelligent ones on here will just ignore it.

Guess what? So has ours. I keep telling you over and over again, yet you refuse to listen. :roll:[/quote]

Listen to what? Your interpretation of what's going on? You are one person coming on this board trying to tell all of us that only a small faction of Muslims are the real problem. Well that small faction seems to run amock without the massive faction even attempting to stop them.

You want us to believe Islam is really a peaceful religion? Not when your religion can't stop the fanatics from escalating this to a potential global war.

[Eduffy80911]

Did you know that the more religious a country is the higher the Homicide Rate?
The moral of the story:

RELIGION s*cks

[mojo]

Moath wrote: politicalmojo wrote: 5000 Pakastani protestors yelling "Hang the man who insulted the prophet".

Yeah this sounds extremely tolerant and peaceful. :roll:

Lets be honest this isn't a minorty opinion we are dealing with. We are dealing with a culture supported by Islam that advocates death and destruction. Then they firmly renounce any aspect of reason. This is portrayed well by the Iranians president's claim that the Holocaust never happened. The Middle East is run by these murderers. Anyone who disagrees with them is killed or harassed into submission.

That is not true. Man, you believe the media too much. The culture you're talking about is the terrorist culture, not the culture of the Middle East, because you don't know about it to begin with. I already said we're dealing with a radicalized 2% of the entire Muslim population.

The religion itself is tolerant, and there are hundred millions of tolerant Muslims out there. Just because there are some intolerant people doesn't mean the religion or culture of the Middle East itself is intolerant. We are reasonable, and we know much. Just because there are a lot of people calling for such a thing doesn't mean that this is the culture. It's the people.

Then if those calling for peace is such a huge majority then why don't they ACT. Obviously with your superior numbers you could easily destroy such an influential opposition. Did you know that no middle east country has denounced terrorism on the grounds that it is against Islam. That is interesting since the Middle East is probably the largest theocratic section of world still left.