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wormwood · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 2341 Location: The P-Brane

Quote: Then why hasn't humanity improved? We're just as evil and selfish as ever. Shouldn't all of these learning experiences have had an effect by now? Johns' trying to get metaphysical on ya 8:) So John, would you say humanity is as depraved as during the middle ages? How about the inquisition? Sure there are still barbaric acts, but they are not condoned on large scale social levels, as used to be the case. Would you say that the world has not changed at all since the days of your prophet Jesus? If not, how can you claim he was the messiah?

Also, if you know about reincarnation, you will know that there are "old" souls and "young" souls. There are 6 billion people on earth, more than any other point in history, at least SOME of those have to be new souls and could account for the general lack of knowledge some of us encounter on a daily basis. Just a thought.

Quote: I find it interesting that many profess belief in "re-incarnation", which is basically a form of eternal life, yet people who believe in this type of eternal life consider it a bad thing and consider the end of individuality (death) as a good thing. I think you misunderstand reincarnation. It isn't that "eternal life" is a bad thing, it is that living on earth forever is a terrible thing. To live is to suffer, basically because the people here have desires and desires cause suffering. To avoid being reincarnated here, is simply a way to dodge the impure people who are forced to spend an eternity in "hell" ...sounds kinda familiar. 8:)

Quote: This is a bit philisophical, but how do you know we haven't improved over where we would have been without the teachings and lessons of others?

Because he doesn't WANT to see your point of view.

Quote: Repost: You approach the statement with skepticism, so to you it makes no sense, but if you approached it with the same degree of rationalizing you do your own religion, you might find that it all indeed makes sense.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: you will know that there are "old" souls and "young" souls.

If a soul is created at birth what happens to the young soul of the body that the older soul occupies?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8465

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: you will know that there are "old" souls and "young" souls.

If a soul is created at birth what happens to the young soul of the body that the older soul occupies?

Soul's aren't "created" at birth. It is at birth when the soul enters the body.

John · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject:

Quote: So John, would you say humanity is as depraved as during the middle ages? How about the inquisition? Sure there are still barbaric acts, but they are not condoned on large scale social levels, as used to be the case.

More so. Take a trip to El Salvador or India. Or even better...I'll take you to the neighborhood where I grew up in southeast Houston and show you how the other half live.

Does the inquisition even compare to what Japan did in China in WWII.

How many innocent children are murdered everyday in abortion clinics? Totally condoned.

We live in a sick society that will cut up its face to look like what we think people want up to look like. If reincarnation it's supposed to be improving us...I can see how it's helping at all.

John · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:

UrielsFyre wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: you will know that there are "old" souls and "young" souls.

If a soul is created at birth what happens to the young soul of the body that the older soul occupies?

Soul's aren't "created" at birth. It is at birth when the soul enters the body.

It's at conception.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

UrielsFyre wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: you will know that there are "old" souls and "young" souls.

If a soul is created at birth what happens to the young soul of the body that the older soul occupies?

Soul's aren't "created" at birth. It is at birth when the soul enters the body.

When are they created and how? Are bodies ever born that receive no soul? If it were a natural process that caused this it seems like errors of this type would occur occasionally. Something like a birth "defect".

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8465

cap'n queasy wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: you will know that there are "old" souls and "young" souls.

If a soul is created at birth what happens to the young soul of the body that the older soul occupies?

Soul's aren't "created" at birth. It is at birth when the soul enters the body.

When are they created and how? Are bodies ever born that receive no soul? If it were a natural process that caused this it seems like errors of this type would occur occasionally. Something like a birth "defect".

At birth, or maybe before (I can't claim to know definitavely), souls enter the body. That soul may have been here before, they may not have been. The new souls (who have never been on Earth before) are "created" by the God and Goddess.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8465

John wrote: Quote: So John, would you say humanity is as depraved as during the middle ages? How about the inquisition? Sure there are still barbaric acts, but they are not condoned on large scale social levels, as used to be the case.

More so. Take a trip to El Salvador or India. Or even better...I'll take you to the neighborhood where I grew up in southeast Houston and show you how the other half live.

Does the inquisition even compare to what Japan did in China in WWII.

How many innocent children are murdered everyday in abortion clinics? Totally condoned.

We live in a sick society that will cut up its face to look like what we think people want up to look like. If reincarnation it's supposed to be improving us...I can see how it's helping at all.

Like I said earlier. How do you know it isn't helping? How do you know that we aren't better off than we would have been without the teaching and learning offered through reincarnation?

John · Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject:

UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: Quote: So John, would you say humanity is as depraved as during the middle ages? How about the inquisition? Sure there are still barbaric acts, but they are not condoned on large scale social levels, as used to be the case.

More so. Take a trip to El Salvador or India. Or even better...I'll take you to the neighborhood where I grew up in southeast Houston and show you how the other half live.

Does the inquisition even compare to what Japan did in China in WWII.

How many innocent children are murdered everyday in abortion clinics? Totally condoned.

We live in a sick society that will cut up its face to look like what we think people want up to look like. If reincarnation it's supposed to be improving us...I can see how it's helping at all.

Like I said earlier. How do you know it isn't helping? How do you know that we aren't better off than we would have been without the teaching and learning offered through reincarnation?

Do you have any children?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8465

John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: Quote: So John, would you say humanity is as depraved as during the middle ages? How about the inquisition? Sure there are still barbaric acts, but they are not condoned on large scale social levels, as used to be the case.

More so. Take a trip to El Salvador or India. Or even better...I'll take you to the neighborhood where I grew up in southeast Houston and show you how the other half live.

Does the inquisition even compare to what Japan did in China in WWII.

How many innocent children are murdered everyday in abortion clinics? Totally condoned.

We live in a sick society that will cut up its face to look like what we think people want up to look like. If reincarnation it's supposed to be improving us...I can see how it's helping at all.

Like I said earlier. How do you know it isn't helping? How do you know that we aren't better off than we would have been without the teaching and learning offered through reincarnation?

Do you have any children?

Does that question relate in some way?

wormwood · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 2341 Location: The P-Brane

Quote: If a soul is created at birth what happens to the young soul of the body that the older soul occupies? Think about a soul like a cube of ice. Imagine that you drop the ice into a glass of water, and it melts completely. Later you dip enough water from the glass to make a new cube, if none of the molecules of water used had been ice before, then it is a new cube...if some were the molecules from the previous cube, then it is an old ice cube.

Quote: More so. Take a trip to El Salvador or India. Or even better...I'll take you to the neighborhood where I grew up in southeast Houston and show you how the other half live. Do you think India or El Salvador were better in some past "golden age"? There was a time when people of the south and central Americas practiced human sacrifice on a large scale...or when "settlers" showed up and killed most of the inhabitants. Most nations used to wage war simply because they could. If you really don't think the world has changed, look at the war in Iraq...2 or 3 deaths makes the newspaper, we are trying not to destroy the area we are attacking, and we are trying not to "offend" the people...you think Rome behaved this way? Or Persia? Or ANY super power other than the U.S. ? The world is full of democracies and human rights...the old ways are dying.

Quote: Does the inquisition even compare to what Japan did in China in WWII. Considering that the Japanese sent soldiers, and Rome sent priests, I would say the Inquisitions were worse. At least with soldiers your community will stand with you to fight, with priests, even your neighbors turn against you.

Quote: How many innocent children are murdered everyday in abortion clinics? Totally condoned. I don't really care because I hate children :lol: BUT...this does bring up an interesting thought about abortion and reincarnation... I wonder if you can LOSE progress?

Quote: We live in a sick society that will cut up its face to look like what we think people want up to look like. And? People have been stretching their lips and ears and performing mutilating practices like female circumcision since recorded history...I would say todays practices are a much more tame version of their ancient ancestors.

Quote: It's at conception. It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven! Seriously though, this is why I said I hate children, this isn't an abortion thread. Take your hippie morals elsewhere :lol:

Quote: When are they created and how? Are bodies ever born that receive no soul? If it were a natural process that caused this it seems like errors of this type would occur occasionally. Maybe these are people with sever birth defects, or babies that never attain consciousness, or perhaps serial killers, who could say, first you would have to define the souls function, then you could answer your own question.