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asadkins
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject: How about the fathers rights |
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| Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me. |
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Selfish_Meme
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I would think it would be nice if the father was involved in the decision, but the woman is the one who will have to carry the baby, and all the damage that entails to her body. |
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asadkins
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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Selfish_Meme wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I would think it would be nice if the father was involved in the decision, but the woman is the one who will have to carry the baby, and all the damage that entails to her body.
My wife has had two children and looks great, so I am not sure what all the damage to the mothers body is about. It seems that inserting a vacuum inside of a woman and sucking out a fetus would be more damging to me. |
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Prole
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
If a woman is married, I believe that she does; there is no consistency there.
If a woman isn't married, she most certainly does not, nor does a man have to tell woman he is not married to that he is having a vasectomy. |
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asadkins
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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Prole wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
If a woman is married, I believe that she does; there is no consistency there.
If a woman isn't married, she most certainly does not, nor does a man have to tell woman he is not married to that he is having a vasectomy.
Good point, but unfortunately a woman is not required to notify her husband in order to have an abortion. For that matter a 15 y/o doesn't have to notify her parents in most instances. They can't buy beer, cigarettes, get a tattoo, or see an R rated movie, but an abortion is OK. Seems kind of out there to me. |
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Plodder
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| yep and you must belive that capital punishmant is wrong and that killing babies is good. |
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Korimyr the Rat
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Plodder wrote: yep and you must belive that capital punishmant is wrong and that killing babies is good.
What if you believe in both capital punishment and abortion? |
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Plodder
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| then you belive in death for all, and are very troubled (to put it nicely) |
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steen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Plodder wrote: then you belive in death for all, and are very troubled (to put it nicely) Hmm, isn't that a rather absolutist ad hominem? |
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Korimyr the Rat
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Plodder wrote: then you belive in death for all, and are very troubled (to put it nicely)
Nah. I just realize that life's cheap and see no need to bring an unwanted life into this world or to keep an unlawful one around. Too many decent people get killed every day for me to worry about fetuses and criminals.
Appreciate the concern, though. |
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thebreadloaf2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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Selfish_Meme wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I would think it would be nice if the father was involved in the decision, but the woman is the one who will have to carry the baby, and all the damage that entails to her body.
yes but its the same with a visectamine just with different principles, instead of a baby it is two testicles, and having your testicles removed entails reduced hormonial activity since male testosterone comes from the testicles |
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steen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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thebreadloaf2003 wrote: Selfish_Meme wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I would think it would be nice if the father was involved in the decision, but the woman is the one who will have to carry the baby, and all the damage that entails to her body. yes but its the same with a visectamine just with different principles, instead of a baby it is two testicles, and having your testicles removed entails reduced hormonial activity since male testosterone comes from the testicles Presumably, you are talking about a Vasectomy? The testicles are not removed. Rather the tube carrying the sperm to the penis is cut and blocked. There is no change in hormone levels. |
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Selfish_Meme
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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steen wrote: thebreadloaf2003 wrote: Selfish_Meme wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I would think it would be nice if the father was involved in the decision, but the woman is the one who will have to carry the baby, and all the damage that entails to her body. yes but its the same with a visectamine just with different principles, instead of a baby it is two testicles, and having your testicles removed entails reduced hormonial activity since male testosterone comes from the testicles Presumably, you are talking about a Vasectomy? The testicles are not removed. Rather the tube carrying the sperm to the penis is cut and blocked. There is no change in hormone levels.
Just an aside, where does the sperm go? |
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steen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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| Selfish_Meme wrote: Just an aside, where does the sperm go? It gets reabsorbed, just as if you didn't have sex. Sperm is produced continuosly. Use it or loose it. :) |
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thebreadloaf2003
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| ah ok thank you for that informative entry, i thought they still removed the testicals...sorry |
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Sailor Moon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I agree completely. Fathers should fight for their equal rights. Theyve kinda been shoved into the "mindless, uncaring oafs" category, a treatment they really dont deserve. |
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Winchester
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
Um, no we don't. Know from experience. |
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the_doctor
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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Sailor Moon wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I agree completely. Fathers should fight for their equal rights. Theyve kinda been shoved into the "mindless, uncaring oafs" category, a treatment they really dont deserve.
No I would disagree on this issue. My thoughts are, the woman in question has to carry it and if she doesn't want to go through with it then she shouldn't have to. Its her body, her choice. Likewise a man can have the snip if he so desires.
Naturally its better to get the support of your partner but if not and its what you want to do then nothing should stop you. |
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Stygma
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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the_doctor wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I agree completely. Fathers should fight for their equal rights. Theyve kinda been shoved into the "mindless, uncaring oafs" category, a treatment they really dont deserve.
No I would disagree on this issue. My thoughts are, the woman in question has to carry it and if she doesn't want to go through with it then she shouldn't have to. Its her body, her choice. Likewise a man can have the snip if he so desires.
Naturally its better to get the support of your partner but if not and its what you want to do then nothing should stop you.
Yeah, but a man is still forced to support the child once it's born. Does that seem fair? |
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Mycroft147
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject: Re: How about the fathers rights |
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Stygma wrote: the_doctor wrote: Sailor Moon wrote: asadkins wrote: Why should it be legal for a woman to get an abortion and not be required to notify the father. Men have to include their spouse when having a vasectomy. Seems kind of ironic to me.
I agree completely. Fathers should fight for their equal rights. Theyve kinda been shoved into the "mindless, uncaring oafs" category, a treatment they really dont deserve.
No I would disagree on this issue. My thoughts are, the woman in question has to carry it and if she doesn't want to go through with it then she shouldn't have to. Its her body, her choice. Likewise a man can have the snip if he so desires.
Naturally its better to get the support of your partner but if not and its what you want to do then nothing should stop you.
Yeah, but a man is still forced to support the child once it's born. Does that seem fair?
Seems fair to me, its the fathers child, he should be requirewd to support it. He decided to risk having the child. |
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