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Ssushi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:34 am Post subject: Pressure on police over protest |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4683002.stm
Protests in the UK suggesting violence and terrorism against European nations! I'm stuggling to have sympathy for these idiots! Holding one of those placards ("Europe you will pay, you're 3/11 is on the way" and "Europe you will pay, the Bin Ladin way") should have been arrested and if not a British national - removed from the country. Plain and simple.
We should not be entering in to this idea of showing support for Denmark by publishing the pictures, but we should not allow incitement to violence against our neighbours. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Pressure on police over protest |
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Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4683002.stm
Protests in the UK suggesting violence and terrorism against European nations! I'm stuggling to have sympathy for these idiots! Holding one of those placards ("Europe you will pay, you're 3/11 is on the way" and "Europe you will pay, the Bin Ladin way") should have been arrested and if not a British national - removed from the country. Plain and simple.
We should not be entering in to this idea of showing support for Denmark by publishing the pictures, but we should not allow incitement to violence against our neighbours.
I agree. This senseless violence must stop. I'd rather have them stick to protesting peacefully and calmly instead of this mania.
I'd rather stick to boycotting.
So for now, bye bye, Havarti Cheese and Danone Yogurt. How I always loved thee so... |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4684474.stm
"Be prepared for the real holocaust"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
WTF??? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Ssushi wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4684474.stm
"Be prepared for the real holocaust"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
WTF???
It's crazy. I agree. These people should be silenced. But I don't think that the Muslim fanatics have that much power in killing many people. |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:38 am Post subject: |
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"Denmark: your 7/7 is on its way"
"Europe, you will see the real Holocaust soon"
"Europe, your 9/11 will come"
"Osama is on his way"
"Jewish media go to hell"
"Liberalism go to hell"
"Democracy go to hell"
"Freedom go to hell"
http://www.newhumanist.org.uk/
Sorry for the repetative posts but I simply cannot believe that these people were not arrested and immediately deported to the hell hole they came from. |
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Nicholas
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| They are also British citizens, too. I find immoderation saddening, saddening.... |
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antonio62
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| Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| They have the right to say things like that as well as the papers have the right to publish the cartoons. |
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MoscowMatt
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Quote: They have the right to say things like that as well as the papers have the right to publish the cartoons.
Really!!! Just because of a couple of cartoons. OK then, I have a right to say this. All those sporting those placards and expressing their hate should be deported, those that don't want to go should be shot! That's the hardline that is needed to defeat this extremism!! |
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thefranzkafkafront
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MoscowMatt wrote: Quote: They have the right to say things like that as well as the papers have the right to publish the cartoons.
Really!!! Just because of a couple of cartoons. OK then, I have a right to say this. All those sporting those placards and expressing their hate should be deported, those that don't want to go should be shot! That's the hardline that is needed to defeat this extremism!!
Been reading mien Kampf have we? |
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Windy
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I actually laughed when I found out one of them was a crack dealer.
So in his mind god doesn't ming him selling crack but gets really pissed off when someone draws a picture? |
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Lord Hargreaves
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| The reaction I find most frightening is not the reaction of *some* Muslims to this cartoon - we all know the problems there - but rather the deadly silence of the left on the issue. The day when the same mainstream politicans and journalists who condemn anyone for saying people who display signs saying "You'll see the real Holocaust soon" and "Freedom go to hell" should be arrested also condemn newspapers that dares republish the cartoons for not showing proper "respect for Islam". |
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Lord Hargreaves wrote: The reaction I find most frightening is not the reaction of *some* Muslims to this cartoon - we all know the problems there - but rather the deadly silence of the left on the issue. The day when the same mainstream politicans and journalists who condemn anyone for saying people who display signs saying "You'll see the real Holocaust soon" and "Freedom go to hell" should be arrested also condemn newspapers that dares republish the cartoons for not showing proper "respect for Islam".
Freedom of speech gose both ways, the printing of the cartoon was an **** thing to do, but justifed. The writing of these pissed off signs whilse also insensitive and **** is also justifed.
When people start damaging private property and hurting or even killing people, thats when theve crossed the line, and they should expect justice to be both fast and firm. Before that they are within there rights, thats what this entire debate is about.
The double standards exibited by so many people (not nessiarly you) are making this entire problem easily the biggest f**k up of the 21st centuary so far.
If only libertarians where in charge :roll: |
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Windy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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thefranzkafkafront wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: The reaction I find most frightening is not the reaction of *some* Muslims to this cartoon - we all know the problems there - but rather the deadly silence of the left on the issue. The day when the same mainstream politicans and journalists who condemn anyone for saying people who display signs saying "You'll see the real Holocaust soon" and "Freedom go to hell" should be arrested also condemn newspapers that dares republish the cartoons for not showing proper "respect for Islam".
Freedom of speech gose both ways, the printing of the cartoon was an **** thing to do, but justifed. The writing of these pissed off signs whilse also insensitive and **** is also justifed.
When people start damaging private property and hurting or even killing people, thats when theve crossed the line, and they should expect justice to be both fast and firm. Before that they are within there rights, thats what this entire debate is about.
The double standards exibited by so many people (not nessiarly you) are making this entire problem easily the biggest f**k up of the 21st centuary so far.
If only libertarians where in charge :roll:
Freedom of speech doesn't extend to encouraging people to kill other people- its the reason that hook handed tosser is in prison now. That is not doubled standards. The cartoons did nothing more than mock religion. Not even close to being the same thing. |
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antonio62
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Windy wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: The reaction I find most frightening is not the reaction of *some* Muslims to this cartoon - we all know the problems there - but rather the deadly silence of the left on the issue. The day when the same mainstream politicans and journalists who condemn anyone for saying people who display signs saying "You'll see the real Holocaust soon" and "Freedom go to hell" should be arrested also condemn newspapers that dares republish the cartoons for not showing proper "respect for Islam".
Freedom of speech gose both ways, the printing of the cartoon was an **** thing to do, but justifed. The writing of these pissed off signs whilse also insensitive and **** is also justifed.
When people start damaging private property and hurting or even killing people, thats when theve crossed the line, and they should expect justice to be both fast and firm. Before that they are within there rights, thats what this entire debate is about.
The double standards exibited by so many people (not nessiarly you) are making this entire problem easily the biggest f**k up of the 21st centuary so far.
If only libertarians where in charge :roll:
Freedom of speech doesn't extend to encouraging people to kill other people- its the reason that hook handed tosser is in prison now. That is not doubled standards. The cartoons did nothing more than mock religion. Not even close to being the same thing.
They have not harmed anyone though. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility. |
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Lord Hargreaves
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
It means exactly that. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Lord Hargreaves wrote: Moath wrote: Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
It means exactly that.
Ok, so the next time you go to a crowd of Manchester Utd. soccer fans and shout at the top of your lungs "MANCHESTER S*CKS!!!", don't be surprised when they come running after you with blackjacks and start beating you to a pulp. :wink: |
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thundertaker
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: Moath wrote: Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
It means exactly that.
Ok, so the next time you go to a crowd of Manchester Utd. soccer fans and shout at the top of your lungs "MANCHESTER S*CKS!!!", don't be surprised when they come running after you with blackjacks and start beating you to a pulp. :wink:
I wouldn't do that, but then I wouldn't like to see it proscribed in law either. Then if someone is dumb enough to do it, they needen't face prosecution once they get out of hospital either..... |
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Ssushi
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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Lord Hargreaves wrote: Moath wrote: Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
It means exactly that.
If we had complete freedom to say exactly what we wanted, the world would be in chaos! We don't walk around saying out loud "oh she's really fat", "he's really ugly" or "I hate <insert colour> people". Why don't we? Because it's neither nice nor acceptable to walk around insulting people...
So Moath is quite correct; Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility. |
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thundertaker
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Ssushi wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: Moath wrote: Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
It means exactly that.
If we had complete freedom to say exactly what we wanted, the world would be in chaos! We don't walk around saying out loud "oh she's really fat", "he's really ugly" or "I hate <insert colour> people". Why don't we? Because it's neither nice nor acceptable to walk around insulting people...
So Moath is quite correct; Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility.
Yes, but would you want to see calling people fat a criminal offence? |
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