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[TeRRaVen52]

Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.

[bubbleyumm]

time is itself.
nobody created it.
time is change.
(i don't believe in god because nobody has proven it yet)
and mankind created time
from the rotation of the earth, its tilt
and day and night.
PEOPLE created time.

[TreizeEnder]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.

Please define what time, if you will. I would very much like to see someone adequately define time as it is relative only to something in motion. Time might not even truly exist.

[greeneye]

TreizeEnder wrote: Time might not even truly exist.

I think this would be correct for the spiritual world, that is -- there is no time or space.

In the physical world, time and space are part of our existence, but from a spiritual world (a different reality than what humans are aware of) I don't believe there is any time or space.

In fact, some scientists have already begun tapping into this "reality where time is not" by measuring people's experience when they meditate and pray. More on this here: http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084877#1084877

[Rozzlapeed]

Time (as a dimension) is the primary interface implemented by energy. It is one of the most basic manifestations of existence. It was, along with energy, one of the first manifestations of the Observer into an agent-system, right after existence itself.

[TreizeEnder]

Rozzlapeed wrote: Time (as a dimension) is the primary interface implemented by energy. It is one of the most basic manifestations of existence. It was, along with energy, one of the first manifestations of the Observer into an agent-system, right after existence itself.
What you're trying to convey here is that time is simply a product of matter's existence, are you not? If this is the case, than it is still relative to matter and therefore not definable as it cannot be separated and measured apart from a mass and its movement. If you meant that, all you are saying is time=mass.

Quote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.
Perhaps god is simply not anything measurable as of now. He, or it, could simply be the product of energy's existence in a similar fashion that "time" is bound to matter. Energy can be structured; what is to say that it is not structured in such a way as to have developed a bizarre sentience. Life came about from a molecule as inanimate as DNA, what is to say energy doesn't follow a similar structure of development as mass?

[Kt]

TeRRaVen52 wrote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.
The idea of an omnipotent god which has been around for all eternity and created the universe seems silly to me.

If you give a s**t about my opinion, i'd say that no gods are older than our universe, and most, if not all, were once physical beings. Created By the universe. not the other way around.

[TreizeEnder]

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.
The idea of an omnipotent god which has been around for all eternity and created the universe seems silly to me.

If you give a s**t about my opinion, i'd say that no gods are older than our universe, and most, if not all, were once physical beings. Created By the universe. not the other way around.

Define universe.

[Kt]

TreizeEnder wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.
The idea of an omnipotent god which has been around for all eternity and created the universe seems silly to me.

If you give a s**t about my opinion, i'd say that no gods are older than our universe, and most, if not all, were once physical beings. Created By the universe. not the other way around.

Define universe.
All that we are able to experience and travel to in our three dimensional space. Other dimensional planes which we cannot travel to without traveling through our own space, or through a portal, are other universes.

[TreizeEnder]

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: TreizeEnder wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: TeRRaVen52 wrote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.
The idea of an omnipotent god which has been around for all eternity and created the universe seems silly to me.

If you give a s**t about my opinion, i'd say that no gods are older than our universe, and most, if not all, were once physical beings. Created By the universe. not the other way around.

Define universe.
All that we are able to experience and travel to in our three dimensional space. Other dimensional planes which we cannot travel to without traveling through our own space, or through a portal, are other universes.

So, in short, something that consists of matter, if I'm not mistaken. What is to say that a being is simply bound to matter? I suppose someone that looks solely at our development in conjunction with physical matter and then associates it with every other living thing would come to such a conclusion, but this solely based off of our experiences. Again, what is to say that energy hadn't structured itself in a similar fashion of development as DNA? Energy does not constitute as matter and can be considered nothing. It has also been proven that energy can form matter and matter be converted into energy as the famous equation of E=mc2 proved long ago.

[Rozzlapeed]

TreizeEnder wrote: Rozzlapeed wrote: Time (as a dimension) is the primary interface implemented by energy. It is one of the most basic manifestations of existence. It was, along with energy, one of the first manifestations of the Observer into an agent-system, right after existence itself.
What you're trying to convey here is that time is simply a product of matter's existence, are you not? If this is the case, than it is still relative to matter and therefore not definable as it cannot be separated and measured apart from a mass and its movement. If you meant that, all you are saying is time=mass.

You've got it all backwards.

First, Time is a means of interaction for energy. Matter, which is composed of energy, inherits time as an interface and also implements space as another means of interaction with other forms of matter. Other systems are built on top of these fundamental systems, with new interfaces as well. When examined at its most fundamental level, every system, including energy, is defined in terms of existence.

Secondly, every system is nothing more than a relationship, a set of negotiated interactions. In reality, what you call mass is actually just as vacuous as a thought. You perceive it's existence as a result of many interactions on many levels. But it is not solid. Instead, it is the result of many different manifestations of existence interacting to form an idea of what a solid object would be.

I should really get to writing this all down in a book. It seems to be very hard to digest when taken piece by piece.

[TreizeEnder]

Quote: You've got it all backwards.

First, Time is a means of interaction for energy. Matter, which is composed of energy, inherits time as an interface and also implements space as another means of interaction with other forms of matter. Other systems are built on top of these fundamental systems, with new interfaces as well. When examined at its most fundamental level, every system, including energy, is defined in terms of existence.

By "interaction" for energy, do you mean a relationship or expression of difference between two divisions of energy? Again this seems to be conveying to me that time is simply a means of showing the value of relationships between movement, if that is what you mean. Please give me your definition for "interaction" as I do not fully understand what you are try to say.

Quote: Secondly, every system is nothing more than a relationship, a set of negotiated interactions. In reality, what you call mass is actually just as vacuous as a thought. You perceive it's existence as a result of many interactions on many levels. But it is not solid. Instead, it is the result of many different manifestations of existence interacting to form an idea of what a solid object would be.

And again, I need to know exactly what you mean here when you say interactions as it befuddles me greatly. The way I see it, a time is merely a tool to better help our understanding of these negotiated interactions. I also know that matter is not quite what it seems. I have studied quantum mechanics to a fair degree which also advocates this.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Logical Fallacy.

Infinite Regress.

Loop -----> Cause--> Effect----> Loop

You cannot logically state that an uncaused cause started a chain of events.

[TreizeEnder]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Logical Fallacy.

Infinite Regress.

Loop -----> Cause--> Effect----> Loop

You cannot logically state that an uncaused cause started a chain of events.

Where does this statement aim its attack, for lack of better words? At god's existence and creation of the universe or our lengthy discussion of time's consistency? Please explain your trajectory.

Quote: Everyone wonders that if God created the world then where did God come from? Well there is only one simple explanation. God created time. Before God created the beginning, time did not exist. He lived in a universe where time was not a factor, until he created it for man. Some examples of my theory about this in the Bible are when God always claims that he is the "Alpha" and the "Omega," which means he is the beginning and the end.

If what I feel is valid is just that, then time does not exist still. Time is just perception and still not a factor. The only factor is how quickly or slowly you perceive a segment of "time". For instance, a second is always the same, but the how much one can conceive in a second will vary some. The way a second feels is different to everyone.

[conguy]

Time is something manmade. Time is a prison. Humans bind themselves to time throughout their lives. It is a false measurement of how long we have left. Time wastes our days, and turns us into vulnerable people. Break away from time, and find a whole new world. The world that God intended for us to live in.

[TreizeEnder]

conguy wrote: Time is something manmade. Time is a prison. Humans bind themselves to time throughout their lives. It is a false measurement of how long we have left. Time wastes our days, and turns us into vulnerable people. Break away from time, and find a whole new world. The world that God intended for us to live in.
How does time make us vulnerable? It is merely a measurement to ease our further understanding of our environment. How does time "waste" our days? If anything, it helps us prioritize things better; helps us divide up work into segments and become organized. The concept of time is one of the most important discoveries for man. We would be lost without it.

[George W Bush]

it all boils down to the complete rotation of the earth and multiple divisions of moments before and afterwards.

if your talking about time in that regard, the big bang theory is alot like GOD.

without the big bang, matter would be still. the explosion made the point of reference called time.

it seems like were like bacteria on this relatively tiny projectile in space called Earth.