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Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Please answer honestly.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2356 Location: Edinburgh

Why do I advocate abortion remains legal? Because I regard it as a safe, amoral choice, and consider it to be a personal freedom that I believe others should have.

So, none of the above.

Abortion is not about my choice, but about the choices that people should have. I am a white male, but certainly think that females and non-whites should have the rights that I do (rights which have been and still are denied to them in some places). Just because it does not affect me directly does not mean that I do not or should not care about it, as you insinuate, Sailor.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

So now this is about rights?

And only womens rights? Not any others?

Its okay.. I'll add another poll option just for you... :lol:

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Well it looks like I cant. Oh well. :lol:

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9530

You forgot the "I'm a man who feels that abortion is morally reprehensible, even though I don't plan on having children myself" option.

I am against abortion, both morally and ethically, because I feel that it is ending a life which has not yet been given the chance to live. Yes, I believe that life begins at conception. However, I do not feel that abortion should be outlawed because I am not presumptuous enough to tell a woman that she should not be allowed to have an abortion, regardless of my feelings about her choice.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

UrielsFyre wrote: You forgot the "I'm a man who feels that abortion is morally reprehensible, even though I don't plan on having children myself" option.

I am against abortion, both morally and ethically, because I feel that it is ending a life which has not yet been given the chance to live. Yes, I believe that life begins at conception. However, I do not feel that abortion should be outlawed because I am not presumptuous enough to tell a woman that she should not be allowed to have an abortion, regardless of my feelings about her choice.

BUT...

Do you believe in God?

Because if you do, then you should not support abortion. Being "lukewarm" in your (love?) for God, and show gratitude for what you have, and you should glorify him. You should, if you believe in and love God, push for his word to be served with righteousness.

Maybe youre not religious?

Why then, do you say "Its wrong, but I refuse to oppose it"? A bit hypocritical, dontcha think?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9530

Sailor Moon wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: You forgot the "I'm a man who feels that abortion is morally reprehensible, even though I don't plan on having children myself" option.

I am against abortion, both morally and ethically, because I feel that it is ending a life which has not yet been given the chance to live. Yes, I believe that life begins at conception. However, I do not feel that abortion should be outlawed because I am not presumptuous enough to tell a woman that she should not be allowed to have an abortion, regardless of my feelings about her choice.

BUT...

Do you believe in God?

Because if you do, then you should not support abortion. Being "lukewarm" in your (love?) for God, and show gratitude for what you have, and you should glorify him. You should, if you believe in and love God, push for his word to be served with righteousness.

Maybe youre not religious?

Why then, do you say "Its wrong, but I refuse to oppose it"? A bit hypocritical, dontcha think?

No, not hypocritical at all.

You make the assumption that I am a Christian. Not true, I am a Wiccan (or a Witch if you prefer). My beliefs dictate that life is precious, and thus abortion is wrong. However, my beliefs also dictate that I have no right to force my beliefs, morality, or religious ideals on another. I may feel that what you are doing is wrong, but it would be just as wrong for me to try to forcefully change your morals or ideals to fit the standards I believe.

In addition, I am a Libertarian. The Libertarian ideal is that of freedom of choice. I can find your choice to be reprehensible, but it is still your choice to make.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

I am not forcing anything on you. I asked you what you believe, didnt I? I educated you, also, but I only said "IF" you believe in God.

Dont be such a WITCH, dude..

Talk about fairys.

And honey, I am pretty close to libertarian, but I am also very religious. I DO serve god, not man.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9530

Sailor Moon wrote: I am not forcing anything on you. I asked you what you believe, didnt I? I educated you, also, but I only said "IF" you believe in God.

Dont be such a WITCH, dude..

Talk about fairys.

And honey, I am pretty close to libertarian, but I am also very religious. I DO serve god, not man.

First, I never said you were forcing anything on me. I said it would be wrong for me to force others. There is a difference.

Second, "don't be such a witch?" I could easily say "don't be such a christian." But, there really isn't a point to that, so let's move on.

Third, Fairies? What are you talking about?

Finally, your religious beliefs may dictate that it is appropriate for you to oppose abortion due to morality. Mine do not.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Thats just... funny... everything you said is soo... funny..

I dont want to bicker. Lets just move on. I'd like some more opinions on this thread, anyways, rather than bickering with male "witches". :rotf:

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 9530

Sailor Moon wrote: Thats just... funny... everything you said is soo... funny..

I dont want to bicker. Lets just move on. I'd like some more opinions on this thread, anyways, rather than bickering with male "witches". :rotf:

Ah...the sign of someone in the final stages of intellectual surrender. "Now I will laugh instead of discuss." Yeah, good luck using that strategy to convince anyone of anything Sailor.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

Dude, I am only trying to convince you of not bickering over a misunderstanding. I really dont want to argue over who misunderstood who, I know where you stand, and that was the point to this thread.

Thanks for your input....

Move on.

mojo · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 5562 Location: Dreamland, NC

Because it is my personal belief that life begins at conception it would be hypocritical for me to say that life isn't worth protecting under the due process of the law.

Prole · Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 2356 Location: Edinburgh

Sailor Moon wrote: So now this is about rights?

And only womens rights? Not any others?

Yup, because I do not think that any others are involved.

Sailor Moon wrote:
Its okay.. I'll add another poll option just for you... :lol:

Well it looks like I cant. Oh well.
Well, thanks for trying, anyway.

Sailor Moon · Joined: 22 Sep 2005 Posts: 2782 Location: O-town, Florida

You do too think that some others are involved, or you wouldnt only support abortion "until the 8th week" :lol:

Korimyr the Rat · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 983 Location: Wyoming

Actually, it's not important to me at all. I've never had one, I've never gotten a woman pregnant to my knowledge, and I'm unlikely to ever be in a position where I'm worried about it.

I support the position I do because I believe it is right, and I try to support what is right regardless of how it influences my life.

Ch33kY · Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Posts: 1281

Haven't read any post or any threads on Abortion.

Why do people make such a big issue about it?

Some US political parties have abortion in their campagin. I feel, as in Australian politics, that it should be left to a conscience vote.

Euthanasia seems more like an important 'moral' choice to me. I haven't seen much debate on that, should we start a topic?

Selfish_Meme · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 726

Ch33kY wrote: I feel, as in Australian politics, that it should be left to a conscience vote.

Technically abortion is illegal in Australia, according to the 1861 British Assault against the person act. However each of the states legislates independantly. So in the ACT it is legal and in Victoria it is subject to case law. Just because the police don't prosecute something doesn't mean it is legal. It was illegal to be homosexual in Tasmania until recently and it only changed because the police forced the issue by arresting someone (for good reasons, they thought it was a stupid law). What conscience vote would you be talking about? Abortion clinics operate quite openly in most places (I have been to one) and you can even get a medicare (National Health for American and UK citizens) rebate.

jsmcs73 · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 29 Location: midwest

I am opposed to "abortion on demand". Or abortion as a means of birth control.

Coral · Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2791 Location: Hold 'em, Texas

The abortion debate is an important one to everyone. If the government can force people to give birth they can get away with trashing just about any right you presently take for granted.