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Patience
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: Why insulting prophet Muhammad?! |
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I wonder why the Danish newspaper jyllands posten had the desire to insult prophet Muhammad (pbuh)!!! The one who was put in the top of the list of the 100 Most influental Persons in Histroy. He came before Paul and Jesus!! Top One Hundred
And why now? Why they chose this timing to pour their hatred against Islam in their newspaper?!
If they really knew HIM, they would have never wrote an insulting word about this great prophet who liberated and guided mankind to the right path.
We, Muslims, respect Jesus and all other prophets. It is blasphemous to insult any prophet! If a Muslim dishonored a prophet, he will go to hell FOREVER!!
If we respect ur prophets, why dont u respect ours?!
If you said it is freedom of speech, well, but ur freedom ends at the lines of others! You dont want anyone to call your father names, or make fun of your mom, and then say, it is freedom of speech! Right?! |
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Showboat
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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The guy who drew the cartoons is a nobody who wanted to make a scene.
I know it can be hard but sometimes it's better to ignore these little people and they will just go away. (And be more pissed off that no one took any notice of them.) |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Showboat wrote: The guy who drew the cartoons is a nobody who wanted to make a scene.
I know it can be hard but sometimes it's better to ignore these little people and they will just go away. (And be more pissed off that no one took any notice of them.)
You're right. It's better to leave them be than follow suit. It's their loss, not ours. We understand Islam and the Prophet (PBUH), but they don't. |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Why insulting prophet Muhammad?! |
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Patience wrote: I wonder why the Danish newspaper jyllands posten had the desire to insult prophet Muhammad (pbuh)!!! The one who was put in the top of the list of the 100 Most influental Persons in Histroy. He came before Paul and Jesus!! Top One Hundred
And why now? Why they chose this timing to pour their hatred against Islam in their newspaper?!
If they really knew HIM, they would have never wrote an insulting word about this great prophet who liberated and guided mankind to the right path.
We, Muslims, respect Jesus and all other prophets. It is blasphemous to insult any prophet! If a Muslim dishonored a prophet, he will go to hell FOREVER!!
If we respect ur prophets, why dont u respect ours?!
If you said it is freedom of speech, well, but ur freedom ends at the lines of others! You dont want anyone to call your father names, or make fun of your mom, and then say, it is freedom of speech! Right?!
it's called freedom of speech and freedom of press. if you're insulted by this, then so be it. your, not our, problem...
say what you want about jesus, buddha or whoever. most of us don't care and freedom of speech supercedes all this blasphemy bulls**t... |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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REG wrote: it's called freedom of speech and freedom of press. if you're insulted by this, then so be it. your, not our, problem...
say what you want about jesus, buddha or whoever. most of us don't care and freedom of speech supercedes all this blasphemy bulls**t...
Well, we don't care what you think. There's something that also supercedes freedom of speech. It's called respect and taste. Learn about them. |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: REG wrote: it's called freedom of speech and freedom of press. if you're insulted by this, then so be it. your, not our, problem...
say what you want about jesus, buddha or whoever. most of us don't care and freedom of speech supercedes all this blasphemy bulls**t...
Well, we don't care what you think. There's something that also supercedes freedom of speech. It's called respect and taste. Learn about them.
actually no. at least not in a democracy. i admit, this started out as an insult, but now it is a matter of principle.
...and apparantly, a lot of muslims do care what we do in the west. it's actually quite pathetic. all for the sake of an innocent cartoon. trying to impose their culture and religion on us. demanding an apology from the norwegian and danish government... :roll: |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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REG wrote: actually no. at least not in a democracy. i admit, this started out as an insult, but now it is a matter of principle.
...and apparantly, a lot of muslims do care what we do in the west. it's actually quite pathetic. all for the sake of an innocent cartoon. trying to impose their culture and religion on us. demanding an apology from the norwegian and danish government...
They're not trying to impose anything on you, but they want the cartoonists to show a shred of dignity and respect. The Muslims shouldn't have overreacted anyways.. |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: REG wrote: actually no. at least not in a democracy. i admit, this started out as an insult, but now it is a matter of principle.
...and apparantly, a lot of muslims do care what we do in the west. it's actually quite pathetic. all for the sake of an innocent cartoon. trying to impose their culture and religion on us. demanding an apology from the norwegian and danish government...
They're not trying to impose anything on you, but they want the cartoonists to show a shred of dignity and respect. The Muslims shouldn't have overreacted anyways..
i agree, seeing as this was published by a right wing fundy christian magazine here in norway. which in no way is representative of the average norwegian or norwegian government. however, it has gone beyond that. freedom of speech is the very foundation of western democracies. some of them now demand an apology from the danish and norwegian government. luckily, they won't get one. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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REG wrote: i agree, seeing as this was published by a right wing fundy christian magazine here in norway. which in no way is representative of the average norwegian or norwegian government. however, it has gone beyond that. freedom of speech is the very foundation of western democracies. some of them now demand an apology from the danish and norwegian government. luckily, they won't get one.
Time will tell. Apologies have been issued before, but I think the Muslim community should just keep it as a boycott. The bomb threats were unnecessary. I know that freedom of speech is a foundation of democracy, but it has its limits. I think it's because Muslims are not used to these insults. Jesus is portrayed in American pop culture quite a lot, but the Christians don't see anything to it. However, these cartoons still lack taste. I just hope this doesn't lead to more anti-Islamism. |
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jeechoscopy
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Irresponsible and unrespectable freedom to speech against judges wouldn’t be tolerated by the constitutions of the world. So, why blasphemous insulting to the Prophet is allowed in the name of freedom to speak? Even in British laws insulting Jesus is prohibited. Unfortunately, the mass media is spreading that threatening. It’s just a practice reflected by the extreme hatred from the depth of their hearts.
Those irresposible editors represent their societies through their media.
I never been in the west, but I'm sure they all wouldn't be like those few ones. A voice that condemns these practices must from the west. A freedom to speech must show some positivism.
How long we have been requesting them to apology, again and again?? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Brothers and sisters, take a look at this article and tell me what you think of it. |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Jihad Momani sounds like a reasonable man and this is the essence of the whole thing:
Quote: The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print the cartoons.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but has rejected calls to punish the paper, saying the government cannot censor the press.
so no matter what muslims feel, there is freedom of press and speech in western democracies... |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Random Evil Guy wrote: Jihad Momani sounds like a reasonable man and this is the essence of the whole thing:
Quote: The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print the cartoons.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but has rejected calls to punish the paper, saying the government cannot censor the press.
so no matter what muslims feel, there is freedom of press and speech in western democracies...
Yep. That's the article I sent. Looks like the Muslim world is going to get reasonable. |
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The_Right_Honourable
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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Im really beginning to feel personally insulted by the actions of many Muslims. The cartoons were stupid and printing them was wrong. Almost everyone accepts this. Why then has this blown up?
Because Muslims want someone punished. That really shouldnt happen. Muslims dont and cant (not so much in the west) understand the slippery slope of censorship and state control.
It seems where as Chritianity is a guide, Islam is about control.
Being non-religious i see all religion as being either a means of passing on wisdom or a means of control or both. Im not saying that Islam was designed as a means to control people BUT it certainly seems to me that that is what it is being used for!
Religion should be about your personal choice. The way Islam impinges upon politics (especially in Iran) is a dangerous thing. It is unhealthy. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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The_Right_Honourable wrote: Im really beginning to feel personally insulted by the actions of many Muslims. The cartoons were stupid and printing them was wrong. Almost everyone accepts this. Why then has this blown up?
It is annoying. The cartoons shouldn't have been printed in the first place, but what the heck? Freedom of speech...
Quote: Because Muslims want someone punished. That really shouldnt happen. Muslims dont and cant (not so much in the west) understand the slippery slope of censorship and state control.
Not all the Muslims want someone getting a beating. They want those who wrote the cartoons to know what they did wrong.
Quote: It seems where as Chritianity is a guide, Islam is about control.
I disagree. Islam is a guide as is Christianity.
Quote: Being non-religious i see all religion as being either a means of passing on wisdom or a means of control or both. Im not saying that Islam was designed as a means to control people BUT it certainly seems to me that that is what it is being used for!
It seems so. But these people who sparked outrage are nuts.
Quote: Religion should be about your personal choice. The way Islam impinges upon politics (especially in Iran) is a dangerous thing. It is unhealthy.
It's a mix that shouldn't have been started in the first place. It was Iran's fault, not Islam, that Islam was taken into politics. |
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The_Right_Honourable
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Well its a mistake thats not been seen or rectified. The radical polarisation of the Muslim world by evil, selfish and hateful leaders is a terrible threat.
I have always had a vision of a peaceful future but im beginning to wonder if things wont just get worse.
How can we change the attitudes of 100's of millions of muslims? |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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The_Right_Honourable wrote: Well its a mistake thats not been seen or rectified. The radical polarisation of the Muslim world by evil, selfish and hateful leaders is a terrible threat.
I have always had a vision of a peaceful future but im beginning to wonder if things wont just get worse.
How can we change the attitudes of 100's of millions of muslims?
Simple. Let's get more of such an article like this spread:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4673908.stm |
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The_Right_Honourable
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| The problem is that the only muslims here are reasonable people. If only the more radically minded came and challenged their beliefs by talking to 'us' westerners then we could change some minds. |
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Muslima
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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you see the problem is that we, muslims who truly want some changes in this world, are trying to change the radically minded people first!
a few months ago i did a research about them, and believe you don't want to deal with them! |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Muslima wrote: you see the problem is that we, muslims who truly want some changes in this world, are trying to change the radically minded people first!
a few months ago i did a research about them, and believe you don't want to deal with them!
Definitely. We're trying to do our part, but that role is being silenced by the continuous lies of the media, stating that we're not doing anything about it. |
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