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Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

UrielsFyre wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

Shim,

I must profess to only knowing about Satanism through reading. I haven't heard, from a Satanist, what the true foundations of that belief are.

Would you mind sharing a bit what Traditional Satanists believe?

Traditional Satanists from what I have seen are still quite as diverse as pagans and beliefs vary, Some believe a lot of christian myth, like jehova is the creator, jehova is not the creator, nobody is the creator, satan is the creator, lucifer is, lucifer and satan are the same, theyare different, etc, etc. So I'll Repeat this, but remember I can only speak for myself, and my form of Satanism was acctually kind of different from others, as I believed "Satan" to be the true creator, and I disreguarded much of the christian myth as MYTH, and I did not subscribe to the bastardizations of Satan's image, all of which many traditional Satanists do not do.

One recurring theme is this, the christian god (jehovah or whatever you wish to call him) and/or the christian movement as a whole, spiritually repress their followers. Most Traditional Satanists i've known believe that salvation does NOT come from belief in jesus, or from faith in jehovah, but from themselves. The belief that you must be able to save yourself is paramount, you shouldn't HAVE to rely on any deity or anybody else to defend your own spirit in the afterlife.

You should amass strength, mental, physical, and spiritual strength, you should become as powerful as you possibly can, evolve and gain as much knowlege as you possibly can, so that you may become like a god, and truly be saved.

The christian belief that you must accept and follow jesus is a belief that will only lead the believer down a path of ill-preparedness, and weakness, easy prey for jehovah, which is the whole point. Jehovah is seen as the evil god, and Satan is often seen as the dissident, who values humanity enough to throw away everything else to help. Jehova treats people like his plaything, the biblical destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (originally from ancient sumerian texts, not the bible), the Flood (also originally an ancient sumerian myth), and other accounts of jehovah squelching any hint of free thought, or free culture.

Call it dellusion if you must, but I always felt great when i thought of him, even if the day was horrible, and everything was falling apart around me, it was still a blissful experience to know who is on my side, and I saw "Satan" as a father figure, and a sense of clairaudience seemed to keep me in touch with him and my enemies.

Personally, I never viewed jehovah as a creator deity, and I never believed "Satan" was once aligned with him, I believed "Satan" to be the name of other ancient deities, and eventually my beliefs evolved, I equated Enlil with jehovah, and "Satan" with Enki (I had believed "Satan" to be just a word made up for Enki for some time, but finally refused to ever use that word again, as it is a name assigned to him by our enemies, how could I have used it for so long?
Anyways, time passes and I become less cynical about my views on how the world works, and it's NOT all some grand scheme, and NOT everyone is out to get me, I believe many deities from many pantheons to exist, I Believe IN the sumerian pantheon, I worship and honour Enki, Inanna(ishtar), and Ninhursag, among others. And I still consider Enlil to be my, and humanity's enemy.
I believe in the sumerian belief that Enki and Ninhursag are the true creators of humanity (if not all humans), I believe in no creator of the universe, or the earth, or the animals and native life of the earth.

I hope i helped answer your question, I can't speak for anyone but myself, so I'd keep that in mind.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8556

Thank you Shim. That did help, and I found it very interesting. :)

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: wormwood wrote: Quote: Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing. Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.
Excuse my ignorance, but why? I've never thought of any particular magic as white or black.

Quote: Just a side point:
Most people don't realize the difference between "Satanists" (a.k.a. Church of Satan) and "satanic" cults (a.k.a. 15 year old kids setting cats on fire). The former is an atheistic religion, and the latter actually believes in, and worships, the Christian deity Satan.
see you all in hell,
Big worm :lol:
Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

I own a black cat, you freak.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

cap'n queasy wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: wormwood wrote: Quote: Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing. Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.
Excuse my ignorance, but why? I've never thought of any particular magic as white or black.

Quote: Just a side point:
Most people don't realize the difference between "Satanists" (a.k.a. Church of Satan) and "satanic" cults (a.k.a. 15 year old kids setting cats on fire). The former is an atheistic religion, and the latter actually believes in, and worships, the Christian deity Satan.
see you all in hell,
Big worm :lol:
Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

I own a black cat, you freak.
Well there's a lot of christians out there killing black cats, so be careful :lol:

EDIT: Freak
EDIT EDIT: Do you own a black cat? Or does a black cat own you?

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Enlil and Enki are Egyptian names for Cain and Abel.

They were real people who the Egyptians mythologized into "gods".

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

cap'n queasy wrote: Enlil and Enki are Egyptian names for Cain and Abel.

They were real people who the Egyptians mythologized into "gods".
False, Enlil and Enki are SUMERIAN names. Made up of sumerian root words
En, is a prefix for a deity or lord of some kind,
Enlil is literally
En-lil (Lord of the earth), En-Ki is literally (Lord of the water)(Ground water).

And how could the Egyptians have mythologized them into gods if the Sumerian civilization was around far before that of the Egyptian one?

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: wormwood wrote: Quote: Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing. Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.
Excuse my ignorance, but why? I've never thought of any particular magic as white or black.

Quote: Just a side point:
Most people don't realize the difference between "Satanists" (a.k.a. Church of Satan) and "satanic" cults (a.k.a. 15 year old kids setting cats on fire). The former is an atheistic religion, and the latter actually believes in, and worships, the Christian deity Satan.
see you all in hell,
Big worm :lol:
Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

I own a black cat, you freak.
Well there's a lot of christians out there killing black cats, so be careful :lol:

EDIT: Freak

No, there is a lot of idiots out there who think ritually having sex or killing animals will give them the power they lack and so desperately need to resolve their psychological issues.

These are the types of people who kill their neighbor's pets and molest their children when their psyches become totally deranged from the pressures of their unresolved power/dominance issues.

If you want to look for an explanation for why people want to tamper with the occult you will have to look into the darkest recesses of the human mind.

For that is where the answer lies. Mental illness.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

cap'n queasy wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: wormwood wrote: Quote: Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing. Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.
Excuse my ignorance, but why? I've never thought of any particular magic as white or black.

Quote: Just a side point:
Most people don't realize the difference between "Satanists" (a.k.a. Church of Satan) and "satanic" cults (a.k.a. 15 year old kids setting cats on fire). The former is an atheistic religion, and the latter actually believes in, and worships, the Christian deity Satan.
see you all in hell,
Big worm :lol:
Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

I own a black cat, you freak.
Well there's a lot of christians out there killing black cats, so be careful :lol:

EDIT: Freak

No, there is a lot of idiots out there who think ritually having sex or killing animals will give them the power they lack and so desperately need to resolve their psychological issues.

These are the types of people who kill their neighbor's pets and molest their children when their psyches become totally deranged from the pressures of their unresolved power/dominance issues.

If you want to look for an explanation for why people want to tamper with the occult you will have to look into the darkest recesses of the human mind.

For that is where the answer lies. Mental illness.
You are nothing but a troll trying to start a flamewar, there is no point in arguing with you.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

You are obviously disturbed.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22422 Location: Houston

UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,

There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

Anton LaVey's opinions represent those of himself and the Church of Satan, not of Wiccans.

I think he hit the nail on the head.

If you think that any kind of witchcraft is "good"...then you're fooling yourself....but that just my opinion.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8556

cap'n queasy wrote: You are obviously disturbed.

Why? Because he follows a different religion than you do?

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8556

John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,

There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

Anton LaVey's opinions represent those of himself and the Church of Satan, not of Wiccans.

I think he hit the nail on the head.

If you think that any kind of witchcraft is "good"...then you're fooling yourself....but that just my opinion.

And I respect your opinion. Likewise, I find people to be fooling themselves if they follow Christianity.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

UrielsFyre wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: You are obviously disturbed.

Why? Because he follows a different religion than you do?

No, the fact that she claims to live in North Korea, supports terrorism, and and has stated she wants to make her own communist/totalitarian nation on a oil tanker combined with her religious views lead me to believe that.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22422 Location: Houston

UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,

There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

Anton LaVey's opinions represent those of himself and the Church of Satan, not of Wiccans.

I think he hit the nail on the head.

If you think that any kind of witchcraft is "good"...then you're fooling yourself....but that just my opinion.

And I respect your opinion. Likewise, I find people to be fooling themselves if they follow Christianity.

Time will tell, I know what side I'll be on.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Also, she is extremely antagonistic.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8556

John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,

There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

Anton LaVey's opinions represent those of himself and the Church of Satan, not of Wiccans.

I think he hit the nail on the head.

If you think that any kind of witchcraft is "good"...then you're fooling yourself....but that just my opinion.

And I respect your opinion. Likewise, I find people to be fooling themselves if they follow Christianity.

Time will tell, I know what side I'll be on.

And I know where I'll be as well.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8556

cap'n queasy wrote: Also, she is extremely antagonistic.

I haven't found her to be atagonistic, but that is all a perception issue.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 22422 Location: Houston

UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,

There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

Anton LaVey's opinions represent those of himself and the Church of Satan, not of Wiccans.

I think he hit the nail on the head.

If you think that any kind of witchcraft is "good"...then you're fooling yourself....but that just my opinion.

And I respect your opinion. Likewise, I find people to be fooling themselves if they follow Christianity.

Time will tell, I know what side I'll be on.

And I know where I'll be as well.

Where will you be?

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

Considering how I feel about the subject, I believe that I have shown an incredible amount of restraint, and have kept out of the christian forums, I have only posted in the christian forums ONCE to my knowlege, and it was neither aggresive or malicious.

Seeing a wealth of people come on these forums bashing other people's beliefs (i'm not even talking about myself here, I can take a fair amount of bashing unscathed, i'm talking about the utter disreguard of the beliefs of wiccans by cap'n queasy and John specifically) is discouraging to say the least.

My question is, WTF?

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

UrielsFyre wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Also, she is extremely antagonistic.

I haven't found her to be atagonistic, but that is all a perception issue.

You don't think accusing people of killing animals is antagonistic?

Well, I do.