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[George W Bush]

what it is about the human orgasm that it can be used to engage magic?

ive heard about some that make offerings through masturbation ceremonies - to demons when the agenda is negative, or to angels when the need is good.

ive also heard about the negative manifestation of entities when solo and not doing anything ceremonial whatsover. that is self-pleasuring themselves with the unintended side effect of a succubus or an incubus summoning.

Does our sexual energy need to be "capped" through another? That is, in order that entities do not become invoked by the straying human energy, another is needed to 'recieve' or cap it.

know what i mean?

[wormwood]

I could give a really long response, but I doubt you will care to hear my rambling. It is easier to understand if you look at certain aspects of Asian spirituality. It all has to do with Qi (chi). Think about it like an explosion of creative energy, with nothing to create.

[F'losrix]

I think it's pretty easy to understand why people would associate sex with magic and mysticism. It's not unlike forms of meditation in which one seeks to transcend the immediate environment in search of some form of enlightenment. If you've never completely lost touch with your immediate surroundings during sex, then you're not doing it right. :wink:

[George W Bush]

ok, heres where i'm more direct with a question (failing miserably at trying to not make myself seem insane)

when the ceremony happens (bear with me, i dont want to gross anyone out), there are these random noises - like snapping and cracking.

when the 'ceremony' finishes, theres an eerie calm.

now, this is a solo ceremony for relaxation purposes.
when the intention is not summoning - but for the simple relaxation -
am i doing anything inadvertent (something I dont want) like summoning a succubus?

i believe so - because I may have something of a visitor nearby. I feel it. You know?

[wormwood]

Quote: now, this is a solo ceremony for relaxation purposes. I bet :lol: ...sorry...I had to do that.

Quote: when the intention is not summoning - but for the simple relaxation -
am i doing anything inadvertent (something I dont want) like summoning a succubus? It has been my experience that there are no accidents, relatively speaking. If you have already engaged in any sort of summoning ritual, it could be a hold over from that, sometimes these entities are said to lie dormant for years, or even be passed through a family line for centuries. In other words, if there is already an entity present, you may inadvertently feed it's power through the sacrifice of your creative energy. It is similar to priests that cut their chests to feed the entities around them. You are attracting the attention of these entities with your sacrifice, but not summoning them. I would advise against trying to summon, since if the ritual is improperly performed, the entity may not be banished.

Quote: are these random noises - like snapping and cracking This is partially why I wanted you to look into Asian philosophy. In TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) the body works as a whole. Each system is interconnected and influences the workings of other systems. In it's simplest terms, the kidney is the basis for essence (prenatal qi from your parents; DNA) This is also where your sexual and creative energy originate. Aside from that function, the kidneys also govern fear and open into the ears. So to make an EXTREMELY long story short, you could be suffering from a mild kidney condition which contributes to hearing things and feeling eerily not alone while expending sexual energy. I am not talking about a kidney infection or anything that extreme, maybe just something innate in the function of the kidneys (a lack of qi for example) or it could be an emotional problem that has spread to the function of the kidney.

In either case, an acupuncturist could probably help you. If it is indeed the kidney, they could balance the qi, if it is a possession, we have points for that too...mostly practitioners from China will know the "demonic" points, as western medicine does not validate spiritual possession. Just a suggestion, if the feelings are unnerving, acupuncture might be something to consider if you are not familiar with banishments, or REAL herbal medicine.

[BassistVIV]

Yes, sex magic (from what I've heard) supposedly produces alot of energy, and puts you into an altered state of mind.

Satanists use masturbation and sex magic for rituals quite often.

[Enoch]

BassistVIV wrote: Satanists use masturbation and sex magic for rituals quite often.

I had heard that before. Unfortunately, since so many people can't understand the difference between Satanism and Wicca, I have had to answer many questions about whether or not Witches have orgies. :roll:

If you ever find a Wiccan/Witch saying that sex is a part of their rituals, they are not true Wiccans.

[Kt]

UrielsFyre wrote: BassistVIV wrote: Satanists use masturbation and sex magic for rituals quite often.
If you ever find a Wiccan/Witch saying that sex is a part of their rituals, they are not true Wiccans.
Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing.

[George W Bush]

[quote="wormwood]In either case, an acupuncturist could probably help you. If it is indeed the kidney, they could balance the qi, if it is a possession, we have points for that too...mostly practitioners from China will know the "demonic" points, as western medicine does not validate spiritual possession. Just a suggestion, if the feelings are unnerving, acupuncture might be something to consider if you are not familiar with banishments, or REAL herbal medicine.[/quote]

Worm...I gotta reveal more in relation to the asian aspect.

Well, I dont know if they are asian. But, do you know that feeling you get when you pass an "enlightened" person? You know - they are not 'just another person'.
They stand out.
Well, Indians - that is, of the Indians who immigrate from Pakistan - women will have a red dot on their forehead - not the native american indians.
Well, many of them pause and just stare at me. I notce they look above my head and they seem stunned.
These are ordinary interactions - like in a store or getting gas.
I completely sense their pause and do not know what they are seeing. But they are seeing something and it scares them. I want to reach out to them and force some kind of conversation but without making a scene.
The difficulty is in their rebound. It is as if they have to unacknowledge what they see - but, I sense that as more of a social need (they dont want to make a scene).

On another recent occassion, the other day I was driving, there was an older indian man walking along the side of the road. He was alone. I looked at him, he looked up and wouldnt stop looking at me - even as I drove by, he turned around. What did he see? Many possibilities. Perhaps he just needed a ride and thought he could psychically ask me for a lift?
THeories aside, its melds with the Asian spirituality you mention. I guess I could try talking to an enlightened one but I definitely will feel as though they may want to do more with me which i'm not ready for.

[George W Bush]

BassistVIV wrote: Yes, sex magic (from what I've heard) supposedly produces alot of energy, and puts you into an altered state of mind.

Satanists use masturbation and sex magic for rituals quite often.

Yes. Then you may need to explain what the 'altar' is when describing LaVeyan ritual satanism. :twisted:

[wormwood]

Quote: Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing. Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Quote: I had heard that before. Unfortunately, since so many people can't understand the difference between Satanism and Wicca, I have had to answer many questions about whether or not Witches have orgies. This is because "Satanist" and "Wicca" are just words that trigger a response of anger and disgust. For some people, that is as much of the sentence as they need to hear before they've made up their mind about something. Naturally all things occult are equally disgusting and should be lumped into one over-generalized category. Why do they think arcane practices are evil? Because they haven't read their own bible obviously...

Quote: Occult techniques in the Hebrew Scriptures:

In Genesis 44:5, Joseph's household manager refers to a silver drinking cup "...in which my lord drinketh and whereby indeed he devineth". Later, Joseph accuses his brothers of stealing the cup, saying "that such a man as I can certainly divine [the identity of the thieves]". These passages show that Joseph engaged in scrying. This is an ancient occultic method of divination in which a cup or other vessel is filled with water and gazed into. This technique of foretelling the future was used by Nostradamus and is still used today.
Numbers 5:12-31 describes a ritual of black magic that the Priest would perform on a woman if her husband suspected that she he had committed adultery. Verse 17 says: "Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water.." She and her husband would go, with an offering of barley meal, to the tabernacle. The priest would make a magical drink consisting of holy water and sweepings from the tabernacle floor. He would have the woman drink the water while he recited a curse on her. The curse would state that her abdomen would swell and her thigh waste away if she had committed adultery. Otherwise, the curse would have no effect. If she were pregnant at this time, the curse would certainly induce an abortion. Yet nobody seems to have been concerned about the fate of any embryo or fetus that was present. There was no similar magical test that a woman could require her husband to take if she suspected him of adultery.
The Urim and Thummim were two objects mentioned in Numbers 27:21 and 1 Samuel 28:6 of the Hebrew Scriptures. They were apparently devices (perhaps in the form of flat stones) that the high priest consulted to determine the will of God. They might have worked something like a pair of dice.
Elisha was on his way to Bethel. Some small boys came out of the city and made fun of him because of his lack of hair; they called him "baldy". In a violent display of the power of black magic, Elisha cursed the children in the name of God. Two bears, apparently prompted by God, came out of the forest and tore 42 of the boys to shreds. The implication is that the children were all murdered. See 2 Kings 2:23-24.
Lots -- pieces of wood or stone with markings -- were used to determine the will of God. They were similar to dice. See: Numbers 26:55; Proverbs 16:33 Proverbs 18:18.
Daniel, the prophet, was employed for many years in Babylon as the chief occultist to the king. He was supervisor "of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans and soothsayers". See Daniel 5:11.


Occult techniques in the Christian Scriptures:

St. Paul engaged in evil sorcery as described in Acts 13:6-12. (Sorcery is here used in the same way as Exodus 22:18: a person saying magical words or performing magical rituals in order to harm or kill another person). During his journey to Cyprus, St. Paul met Bar-Jesus, who was an attendant of the Roman proconsul Sergius Paulus. He had a conflict with cursed Bar-Jesus, saying:
"You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun. (NIV)

Bar-Jesus heard the curse and immediately was blinded.

St. Peter also engaged in evil sorcery, as described in Acts 5:9. After he determined that Sapphira had lied to him, he cursed her, saying
"How is it that ye have agreed together to try the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them that have buried thy husband are at the door, and they shall carry thee out. (ASV)

She collapsed and died immediately.

These are just some of the instances of things that if done today would be heretical. So anyone who does anything arcane, is Satanic. Yet, many of the holy people from the holy book participated in these very same "Satanic" practices. That is consistency for you.

Just a side point:
Most people don't realize the difference between "Satanists" (a.k.a. Church of Satan) and "satanic" cults (a.k.a. 15 year old kids setting cats on fire). The former is an atheistic religion, and the latter actually believes in, and worships, the Christian deity Satan.

see you all in hell,
Big worm :lol:

[wormwood]

Quote: Yes. Then you may need to explain what the 'altar' is when describing LaVeyan ritual satanism. :lol: I have been meaning to get one of those but my girlfriend won't let me.

[Kt]

wormwood wrote: Quote: Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing. Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.
Excuse my ignorance, but why? I've never thought of any particular magic as white or black.

Quote: Just a side point:
Most people don't realize the difference between "Satanists" (a.k.a. Church of Satan) and "satanic" cults (a.k.a. 15 year old kids setting cats on fire). The former is an atheistic religion, and the latter actually believes in, and worships, the Christian deity Satan.
see you all in hell,
Big worm :lol:
Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

[wormwood]

Quote: On another recent occassion, the other day I was driving, there was an older indian man walking along the side of the road. He was alone. I looked at him, he looked up and wouldnt stop looking at me - even as I drove by, he turned around. What did he see? Many possibilities. Perhaps he just needed a ride and thought he could psychically ask me for a lift?
THeories aside, its melds with the Asian spirituality you mention. I guess I could try talking to an enlightened one but I definitely will feel as though they may want to do more with me which i'm not ready for.
It could be a matter of perception, or they may actually be seeing something. Without seeing you in person, there is no way to know.

Do you have anxiety? Do you have trouble sleeping, or dream disturbed sleep? What is your pulse rate? Is your urine dark most of the time? Do your knees ever hurt? Do you have dark circles under your eyes? Do you ever have lower back pain? I know the questions seem arbitrary, but bear with me.

[wormwood]

Quote: Excuse my ignorance, but why? I've never thought of any particular magic as white or black. Well, part of it is the intention of the ritual. "White" magic is gentle, and directed only to benefit all parties involved. Also, the elements of the rituals themselves are solar, even though the moon is observed; solar elements are invoked. "Black" magic is so called because some parts of it seek only gain for the caster at anyone else's expense, the elements are lunar and necromantic. These are just generalizations, but they do specifically apply to Wicca. The first rituals of Wicca were prepared by Alister Crowley, and he designed them to be "white" magic. It was only later that the moon took such primacy and women became more highly regarded by many wiccans.

Short Answer:
Traditionally white magic includes divination, protection, and blessings, though other elements may be incorporated.

Quote: Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport. :lol: Well, I was making a sarcastic comment, but I meant the individuated satanic sects that don't follow one set defined religion. My bad 8:)

[Enoch]

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: UrielsFyre wrote: BassistVIV wrote: Satanists use masturbation and sex magic for rituals quite often.
If you ever find a Wiccan/Witch saying that sex is a part of their rituals, they are not true Wiccans.
Why not? What's wrong with sex? It can be quite a magical thing.

There is nothing wrong with sex. However, it does not have a place in Wiccan rituals. True Wiccan rituals are about honoring the God or Goddess (depending on the ritual), and/or performing Magick with positive ends. One can not do either unless they are entering the circle in perfect love and perfect trust, and are concentrating on the ritual and outcome.

Sexual activity, as wonderful as it is, does not aid in the honor toward the God or Goddess and disctracts from the concentration needed to perform Magick (as Wiccans peform it)

[John]

wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,


There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

[Enoch]

John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,


There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

Anton LaVey's opinions represent those of himself and the Church of Satan, not of Wiccans.

[Kt]

John wrote: wormwood wrote: Because Wicca is a religion of light. White Magic. Sex magic is usually relegated to the realm of elemental, or "black" magic.

Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan says in the Satanic Bible,


There is no difference between "White" and "Black" magic, except in the smug hypocrisy, guiltridden righteousness, and self-deceit of the "White" magician himself. In the classical religious tradition, "White" magic is performed for altruistic, benevolent, and "good" purposes; while "black" magic is used for self-aggrandizement, personal power, and "evil" purposes. No one on earth ever pursued occult studies, metaphysics, yoga, or any other "white light" concept, without ego gratification and personal power as a goal.

LaVey is too harsh on wiccans, and he makes a mockery of Satan.
But at he sure does scare the christians, which is what he is all about.

[Enoch]

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: Being a former Traditional Satanist, I can say I have never set any cats on fire nor would I ever.
Besides, killing (black) cats is for christians. It's their little bloodsport.

Shim,

I must profess to only knowing about Satanism through reading. I haven't heard, from a Satanist, what the true foundations of that belief are.

Would you mind sharing a bit what Traditional Satanists believe?