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[Selfish_Meme]

Sailor Moon wrote:
WOW I cant believe you even believe that. Thats all pro choice population control LIES and rhetoric spun off by the elitest in the world, to avoid health care costs for their people, and to only keep the richest among us around, and do away with the poor or common people.

By the way, the coat hangar claim is a lie. It has been a known lie since at least 1960. There are SO many lies you need to learn about. Allow me to educate you. Please read or at least skim through these links:

http://tennesseerighttolife.org/human_life_issues/human_life_issues_abortion_lies_and_myths.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30098

http://www.justfacts.com/abortion.htm

First I would like to apologize for the remark about coat hangers and coca cola, it was unjustified, unresearched and could be untrue. I have done a bit of research now, however I can't find any objective evidence either way about it. The fact that it is at least an urban myth has probably prompted someone somewhere to try it.

Speaking about objective evidence though, I have read through the links you provided and I don't find them to be particularly objective either. The first link is to a rights for life group who would obviously try to spin the facts their way but even here I can find evidence that my theory is correct.

Quote: The National Center for Heath Statistics reveals that before 1941, there were over 1,400 abortion-related deaths. Yet after Penicillin became available to control infections, the number of deaths was reduced in the 1950's to approximately 250 per year. By 1966, with abortion still illegal in all states, the number of deaths had dropped steadily to 120. The reason? New and better antibiotics, better surgery and the establishment of intensive care units in hospitals. This was in the face of a rising population.

On the face of it a good indication that legal abortions wasn't completely responsible for lowering the death rate. However you will note that they state that the number of deaths is reduced due to better drugs and surgeries. If anyone watched 30 days they will know how much a visit to the doctor costs in the states. IF a doctor will perform the operation, IF it is in a medical surgery and IF you can then afford the drugs you may have a trouble free abortion. Otherwise you will have the same situation of the poor women in Latin America (from my BBC link above) with a tube of hydrochloric acid inserted in their vagina's. As always it will be the poor people who are the ones to suffer.

Your second link is to an article from Worldnet Daily, an on-line newspaper not without its own criticizers of the politics of its editor, about someone lying about poll statistics. So what? There are Government statistics bureaus, if you want to find out what people really think you use one of those. They were only reporting it to the media who should check the facts before printing them. Is it their fault or the media's because the media reported facts they hadn't checked.

I can't find any information about the owners of justfacts.com except they are used by a lot of pro NRA sites as references. They are also linked into a chain of a few sites like knowledge.com all owned by network solutions LLC. Aside from accelerating the stages of a proto-humans gestalt significantly It states:

Quote: According to the United States Centers for Disease Control, whose death statistics from legal abortions are used by Planned Parenthood, in the year before Roe vs. Wade (1972), there were 39 deaths from illegal abortions. In the year after Roe vs. Wade (1974), there were 26 deaths from legal abortions.

So even your own sources are supporting my argument.

[Sailor Moon]

Go to the source then. Go back to the sites, and then go to the library, and check out the books.

And, while youre at it, go check out "Lime 5".

The fact is right here:

Abortion is an ugly subject, and until you do your research on what the pro life cause is about (and its not lying or spinning the truth) then you might just decide to just "push" the truth away.

All we want is for people to know the facts. So what if those sites are pro life? Theyre also pro truth. Thats what we want you to know.

The truth shall set you free.

[The Grandmaster]

Sailor Moon wrote: Maybe you have some esteem issues to work on... It sounds that way to me!

Alas Sailor, I know Anarchist, and he is not joking unfortuntely. His face is by no means...a pretty site. It is quite disturbing actually. He scares children and small animals, and he can't help it. :cry:

[Sailor Moon]

I looked. No photos posted. So, are you two good friends, offline, TGM1? yuk yuk yuk!

:lol:

[The Grandmaster]

Sailor Moon wrote: I looked. No photos posted. So, are you two good friends, offline, TGM1? yuk yuk yuk!

:lol:

Oh my, he would never post photos of himself! I am even surpised he has an internet connection as much as he mistrusts the world. I know him though, and he is an eccentric. He mostly talks to people through messanger, and doesn't go out much. Has sh1tloads of money though. As far as I know, no one knows how much.

[Sailor Moon]

Probably the entire check as well as the income tax he SHOULD be paying.

Thats one of the great things about self employment. I wont go there.. anyways.. were so off topic its unreal. Eh.. maybe we need to start a new thread.