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[Robodoon]

Praetorian wrote: Why can't you just start a thread debating Lincoln and his actions instead of being sarcastic. There really is nowhere for this thread to go now.

Sorry my presentation bothers you.

[Todd D.]

Trajan wrote: Todd D. wrote: it happens to agree that the US is corrupt. He's already demonstrated a lack of knowledge on this subject in the exact same thread that's currently in the Conspiracies forum (which, I can only assume, is why he double posted this back into P&G).

He also has a bigger audience in P&G.
He originally posted it in P&G, it was then moved to Conspiracies (As evident by the "Why was this moved to conspiracies! SOB!" lament), now he has REPOSTED it again after being moved, which I would assume is against the forum rules is it not?

[Robodoon]

Pzatchok wrote: I'm trying to send it someplace logical but some people are afraid of new things.







Notice the humor in that one? And I didn't need three pages of jibberish to do it.

yeah but where the point, my jibberish had a point to it. ;)

[buddha]

Robodoon wrote:
if you owe the Bank money the Bank owns what you have, and the bank makes money out of the Air and places the debt on "WE THE PEOPLE" back.

thats not very nice, its nice for the bankers but we pay the bills.

I love that line. It always gives me a good laugh! :rotf:

[Robodoon]

Vakten wrote: You forgot to mention that when George Washington and his men where sitting, and freezing, and starving at Valley Forge, the moneychangers sitting in the Continental Congress where drafting plans to replace Washington with a General that would surrender to Britain because the war was not "profitable" for them.

I don't know how far deep the rabbit hole goes, but there are "deffinatly" some mean spirited people in charge of the banks, and I do not trust them.

I believe fully that the civil war would have eventually been waged on this issue alone even without the slavery issue.

Poor white farmers don't die on a battlefield in defense of a rich man's slave right.

Further still, Northern soldiers didn't even know what the hell they where fighting over. At the beginning it was an issue of maintaining the Union, but it was a Union that was being centralized in Washington, and a Union that was going bankrupt. Lincoln had the bankers barking at his door, and rather then give in, the most heroic act in my opinion that Lincoln ever did was that he tried to issue Greenbacks to fund the war effort.

Unfortunatly, Lincoln's greenback effort failed as the war dragged on, and he was "forced"...please understand that I use the word "forced" to turn to the bankers for the funds to continue the war.

And the bankers loved it.

In the South however, you had Stonewall Jackson who did not desire to live should the South lose the war. He called any Northern Victory, as simply a victory for the commerce bankers. Many Southerners shared this view....so much so that MANY protections where included in the Confederate Constitution.

The first SEVEN powers delegated to the Confederate Legislature read as follows...

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csa.htm#a7

Confederate Constitution wrote: Sec. 8. The Congress shall have power-

(I) To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States.

(2) To borrow money on the credit of the Confederate States.

(3) To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; but neither this, nor any other clause contained in the Constitution, shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce; except for the purpose of furnishing lights, beacons, and buoys, and other aids to navigation upon the coasts, and the improvement of harbors and the removing of obstructions in river navigation; in all which cases such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby as may be necessary to pay the costs and expenses thereof.

(4) To establish uniform laws of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies, throughout the Confederate States; but no law of Congress shall discharge any debt contracted before the passage of the same.

(5) To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

(6) To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the Confederate States.

(7) To establish post offices and post routes; but the expenses of the Post Office Department, after the Ist day of March in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and sixty-three, shall be paid out of its own revenues.

As you can see, it reads almost exactly like our own Constitution, except that sentences where added to provide protections against Commerce. There where also other protections added, but I'm not going to post the entire Confederate Constitution here. Use the link and read it for yourself.

The Civil War was faught over this. I'm not saying it was the most important issue to the people, but to the bankers....it was a heck of alot more important then Slavery that the South be crushed.

The bankers have never left us. ;)

[Robodoon]

Y2A wrote: Why aren't you banned already?

Why I'm not doing anything wrong.

[Robodoon]

Gnostic wrote: Robodoon wrote: Abraham Lincoln was an IDIOT!!
Quote:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign"' by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
-Abraham Lincoln, - In a letter written to William Elkin just after the passage of the National Banking Act of 1863 and less than five months before he was assassinated.

Quote: "... the privilege of creating and issuing money... is the government's greatest creative opportunity... [saving] the taxpayers immense sums of money...". -Abraham Lincoln


What the Hell is old idiot Ab taliking about? :rolleyes: The man was a BOOB I can’t believe he was ever President. Of Course he was an idiot, because our government has chosen to give the right to create money to the private held Federal Reserve Bank and it has worked well. Why we really only had that crash of 29. Oh and yes we did go bankrupt to the banks back in the 40’s under FDR ,but we have been doing great ever since :) :)
Quote: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered".
-Thomas Jefferson in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin
Well here is another IDIOT!, what a joke to think such a thought. Amazing I’d say to think that corporations and banks would profit on the misery of other people, just silly. :rolleyes: Besides the government would never let that happen.
Quote: "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies".
- Thomas Jefferson

Well here we go again, of course a standing army is worse, they have GUNS!!

Quote: "Give me control over a nation's currency and I care not who makes its laws" - Baron M.A. Rothschild (1744 - 1812)
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That silly statement gets posted a lot. Some people try and tell me that it means that the “evil” :eek: ;) Rothschilds try and take over nations by gaining control of the currency. That’s just silly, he’s not saying that he’s saying something like “give me all the money dude and I don’t care what else happens ” ..LOL ;) .Well everyone like’s bucks ;) what’s so weird about that ? I know he is investor in the Fed and the head bank in Swisserland , but he’s just an investor like the Rockefellers are in Vested in other things.

Quote: "... You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out". -President Andrew Jackson, upon evicting a delegation of international bankers from the Oval Office

Well this guys just wacko.

Quote: "If Congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given to be used by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations". - Andrew Jackson
Everyone knows that the Federal Reserve bank has done fine, Congress doesn’t need to do that, Andrew shouldn’t have worried so much :D…what a nut ;)

Some people pop up this comment on the evils of banking
Quote: "The few who can understand the system (Federal Reserve) will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors, that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of the people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests".
- John Sherman, protege of the Rothschild banking family, in a letter sent in 1863 to New York Bankers, Morton, and Gould, in support of the then proposed National Banking Act
Nope! never happen, besides this is 100 years ago, we have computers now , they could understand the system even if it were as Sherman proposed.
Quote: ".. we conclude that the [Federal] Reserve Banks are not federal ... but are independent privately owned and locally controlled corporations... without day to day direction from the federal government."
- 9th Circuit Court in Lewis vs United States, June 24, 1982

Oh yeah right, then why is it called Federal? They are Federal government just like Federal Express, whatever. :rolleyes:

Oh another one
Quote: "Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are US government institutions They are not... they are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the US. for the benefit of themselves and their foreign and domestic swindlers, and rich and predatory money lenders. The sack of the United States by the Fed is the greatest crime in history. Every effort has been made by the Fed to conceal its powers, but the truth is the Fed has usurped the government. It controls everything here and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will". -Congressman Charles McFadden, Chairman, House Banking and Currency Committee, June 10, 1932

I think I need to get them some white coats….this is America, that would never happen here the people wouldn’t stand for it. This must be a another nut, but that was 70 years ago, things would have changed since then anyway, its different now a days ;)
Quote:
"when you or I write a check there must be sufficient funds in our account to cover that check, but when the Federal Reserve writes a check, it is creating money".
-Boston Federal Reserve Bank in a publication titled "Putting It Simply"
Well the money has to come from some where you can’t just create it out of air.
So you see there is nothing to this kind of talk, its crazy person talk

I hope you all know I pulling your legs…..all of them ;)

We are in trouble!!!


Quote: "...our system of credit is concentrated... in the hands of a few men... a power so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that [we had] better not speak above [our] breath when [we] speak in condemnation of it ... We have come to be ... completely controlled... by ... small groups of dominant men". -President Woodrow Wilson

Quote: "The Founding Fathers of this great land had no difficulty whatsoever understanding the agenda of bankers, and they frequently referred to them and their kind as, quote, 'friends of paper money. They hated the Bank of England, in particular, and felt that even were we successful in winning our independence from England and King George, we could never truly be a nation of freemen, unless we had an honest money system. Through ignorance, but moreover, because of apathy, a small, but wealthy, clique of power brokers have robbed us of our Rights and Liberties, and we are being raped of our wealth. We are paying the price for the near-comatose levels of complacency by our parents, and only God knows what might become of our children, should we not work diligently to shake this country from its slumber! Many a nation has lost its freedom at the end of a gun barrel, but here in America, we just decided to hand it over voluntarily. Worse yet, we paid for the tyranny and usurpation out of our own pockets with "voluntary" tax contributions and the use of a debt-laden fiat currency!".
-Peter Kershaw, author of the 1994 booklet "Economic Solutions"

Excellent post. Great quote compilation on the subject.

Does anybody know yet why the Fed Reserve has never been audited? :)

thank you ;)

cuz some people would get in trouble ;)

[Robodoon]

buddha wrote: Gnostic wrote:
Does anybody know yet why the Fed Reserve has never been audited? :)

Audited by who? The FRB was audited by two independent firms (KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers) and reviewed by the GAO, last year. Who do you want to audit the FRB?

people who are accountable to we the people. ;) and not the bankers.

[Robodoon]

JLB wrote: Robodoon wrote: Pzatchok wrote: Actually Robo i have several certificates of "real" money.

Do you think I should take them to the bank and get my silver and gold for them?

Well you can try I think they will just look at you. :shock: and wonder what your talking about.

But if you can get the gold and silver I would take it and hold it and hide it, because if what I think is going to happen, happens, I think there is a real chance gold will be taken again....but its better then paper that will just lose its value and the piper is paid.

You have to love an investment that gives you a zero percent inflation adjusted rate of return from 1946-2000.



I invest in guns, because if it society ever breaks down to where gold is needed, I'll just take somebody else's. 8:)

Well if we have a repeat of history they will be taking out gold.

[Robodoon]

New World Order wrote: Not only did CONGRESS ALLOW Lincoln to create the Federal Bank, or what ever it was called, but he had to do so to keep America out of future debt. If Lincoln hadn't created the bank he would have had to barrow I don't know how much money from an outside source, actually the Rothschild's, and that would have left America in debt WAY more then they already might have been, so I think Your the idiot and that Lincoln did the right thing.

The Fed was created in 1913 and you didn't read my post ;)

I wasn't calling ol ab an idiot ;)

[Robodoon]

FCTE wrote: What it comes down to is you cannot eat money or gold.

Lincoln was our greatest president. Wilson and FDR are the idiots.

Wison and FDR were tools of the bankers, Lincoln tried to stand against them.

[Trajan]

Todd D. wrote: Trajan wrote: Todd D. wrote: it happens to agree that the US is corrupt. He's already demonstrated a lack of knowledge on this subject in the exact same thread that's currently in the Conspiracies forum (which, I can only assume, is why he double posted this back into P&G).

He also has a bigger audience in P&G.
He originally posted it in P&G, it was then moved to Conspiracies (As evident by the "Why was this moved to conspiracies! SOB!" lament), now he has REPOSTED it again after being moved, which I would assume is against the forum rules is it not?

I would say so. But let's face it. It gets more views and hits here than there. That and the fact that he stated his theories are not theories, and do not belong in a conspiracy theory forum.

[buddha]

Robodoon wrote: buddha wrote: Gnostic wrote:
Does anybody know yet why the Fed Reserve has never been audited? :)

Audited by who? The FRB was audited by two independent firms (KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers) and reviewed by the GAO, last year. Who do you want to audit the FRB?

people who are accountable to we the people. ;) and not the bankers.

And who would that be? Isn't the government accountable to "we the people." Should every paranoid person who really doesn't understand how the banking system works be allowed to audit them. Two different accounting firm and the US government have looked at what they do. But everyone is part of the conspiracy.

Do you have any proof those accounting firms are accountable to the bankers, other then everyone is part of the conspiracy?

Just so I get this straight, we have gone from "They have never been audited" to "They have never been audited to your liking."

[gavnook]

Vakten wrote: Poor white farmers don't die on a battlefield in defense of a rich man's slave right.

Amen.

[Robodoon]

Quote: buddha wrote: Robodoon wrote: buddha wrote: Gnostic wrote:
Does anybody know yet why the Fed Reserve has never been audited? :)

Audited by who? The FRB was audited by two independent firms (KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers) and reviewed by the GAO, last year. Who do you want to audit the FRB?

people who are accountable to we the people. ;) and not the bankers.

And who would that be? Isn't the government accountable to "we the people." Should every paranoid person who really doesn't understand how the banking system works be allowed to audit them. Two different accounting firm and the US government have looked at what they do. But everyone is part of the conspiracy.

Hey its not like Time and Money don't have effects on things.

Quote: "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House, November 21st, l933

Quote: Do you have any proof those accounting firms are accountable to the bankers, other then everyone is part of the conspiracy?

Just so I get this straight, we have gone from "They have never been audited" to "They have never been audited to your liking."

Well then help me out, why don't you show me the audits?

[Gnostic]

buddha wrote: Gnostic wrote:
Does anybody know yet why the Fed Reserve has never been audited? :)

Audited by who? The FRB was audited by two independent firms (KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers) and reviewed by the GAO, last year. Who do you want to audit the FRB?

Technically, you're correct, the FRB is audited in this way. But it's rather much like chickens guarding the fox. The GAO? Political agencies? Who is to hold THEM accountable, when auditing another governmental entity which Congress had no authority under the Constitution to create to begin with. But, if Congress enacts and enforces oversight, then true accountability can be expected from the FRB, but in the short term at least this does'nt seem to be the case. But the true auditors should be the People of the United States, and the Congress itself is who they should audit.

[Robodoon]

HISTORICAL EVENTS! WHY THE HELL IS THIS IN HISTORICAL EVENTS!!!

[Gnostic]

Robodoon wrote: HISTORICAL EVENTS! WHY THE HELL IS THIS IN HISTORICAL EVENTS!!!

I don't know, was wondering that myself.

The FRB is'nt an "historical event", it's quite current.

[Robodoon]

Gnostic wrote: Robodoon wrote: HISTORICAL EVENTS! WHY THE HELL IS THIS IN HISTORICAL EVENTS!!!

I don't know, was wondering that myself.

The FRB is'nt an "historical event", it's quite current.

I've already started to look for a new forum, this is getting silly.

[buddha]

Gnostic wrote: buddha wrote: Gnostic wrote:
Does anybody know yet why the Fed Reserve has never been audited? :)

Audited by who? The FRB was audited by two independent firms (KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers) and reviewed by the GAO, last year. Who do you want to audit the FRB?

Technically, you're correct, the FRB is audited in this way. But it's rather much like chickens guarding the fox. The GAO? Political agencies? Who is to hold THEM accountable, when auditing another governmental entity which Congress had no authority under the Constitution to create to begin with. But, if Congress enacts and enforces oversight, then true accountability can be expected from the FRB, but in the short term at least this does'nt seem to be the case. But the true auditors should be the People of the United States, and the Congress itself is who they should audit.

The FRB is accountable to the Congress. The FRB must report on it's activities to the Congress at least twice a year, more often if required by Congress.