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[JLB]

Robodoon wrote: Pzatchok wrote: Actually Robo i have several certificates of "real" money.

Do you think I should take them to the bank and get my silver and gold for them?

Well you can try I think they will just look at you. :shock: and wonder what your talking about.

But if you can get the gold and silver I would take it and hold it and hide it, because if what I think is going to happen, happens, I think there is a real chance gold will be taken again....but its better then paper that will just lose its value and the piper is paid.

You have to love an investment that gives you a zero percent inflation adjusted rate of return from 1946-2000.



I invest in guns, because if it society ever breaks down to where gold is needed, I'll just take somebody else's. 8:)

[[Bible]Monkey]

JLB wrote: I invest in guns, because if it society ever breaks down to where gold is needed, I'll just take somebody else's. 8:)

Good idea JLB. Or you could hedge your bets-and invest only in guns that are made out of gold.

:)

Quote: Gold expected to scale new heights in 2006 (SA 12/23)
The price of gold is expected to climb to fresh long-term highs during 2006, mainly on the back of investor demand for the metal, analysts and traders said. Other factors expected to boost gold in 2006 are increased central-bank buying of gold for reserve holdings as well as inflationary concerns. "Key to the gold market was Asian central bank buying of gold. The Russian central bank recently indicated that it had started to buy gold."

Of course this site looks like they're trying to sell gold-so all the stories say it's going up. Looks like it will , though.

[Gaea]

Trajan wrote: Robodoon wrote: Abraham Lincoln was an IDIOT!!
Quote:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign"' by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
-Abraham Lincoln, - In a letter written to William Elkin just after the passage of the National Banking Act of 1863 and less than five months before he was assassinated.


Considering he was assassinated on April 15 1865, and the NBA was passed in 1863. I have to wonder about your math and thread title.

Good catch Trajan.

In all fairness to ol' Abe, there is strong possiblity that he never wrote the above quote. Apparently over the last 150 years there have been a lot of things ol' Abe never said, but got credit for. Same might be true for other presidents as well.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm

[Pzatchok]

Wow a whole thread of pownage.

thats cool.

[New World Order]

Not only did CONGRESS ALLOW Lincoln to create the Federal Bank, or what ever it was called, but he had to do so to keep America out of future debt. If Lincoln hadn't created the bank he would have had to barrow I don't know how much money from an outside source, actually the Rothschild's, and that would have left America in debt WAY more then they already might have been, so I think Your the idiot and that Lincoln did the right thing.

[Trajan]

Moot wrote: Trajan wrote: Robodoon wrote: Abraham Lincoln was an IDIOT!!
Quote:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign"' by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
-Abraham Lincoln, - In a letter written to William Elkin just after the passage of the National Banking Act of 1863 and less than five months before he was assassinated.


Considering he was assassinated on April 15 1865, and the NBA was passed in 1863. I have to wonder about your math and thread title.

Good catch Trajan.

In all fairness to ol' Abe, there is strong possiblity that he never wrote the above quote. Apparently over the last 150 years there have been a lot of things ol' Abe never said, but got credit for. Same might be true for other presidents as well.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln.htm

Thanks Moot. I just love snopes. They debunk so much garbage.

Here's a little site I found: http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm When you scroll down to the financial costs, it's no wonder why the NBA was passed. I remember reading in Catton's book, IIRC that Lincoln was talking to his secratary about the war, and one of the things he said was "The war is costing 1-2million a day and Chase tells me he has no more money." It isn't a direct quote, but that's the gist of it.

[TheCreepyApostate]

What it comes down to is you cannot eat money or gold.

Lincoln was our greatest president. Wilson and FDR are the idiots.

[New World Order]

maybe Wilson was an idiot, but I have to disagree with you on FDR, buddy.

[TheCreepyApostate]

New World Order wrote: maybe Wilson was an idiot, but I have to disagree with you on FDR, buddy.

He should have been hung for treason.

[JLB]

[quote="[Bible]Monkey"] JLB wrote: I invest in guns, because if it society ever breaks down to where gold is needed, I'll just take somebody else's. 8:)

Quote: Good idea JLB. Or you could hedge your bets-and invest only in guns that are made out of gold.

:)

And change my name to Scaramonga? :lol:

Quote: Gold expected to scale new heights in 2006 (SA 12/23)
The price of gold is expected to climb to fresh long-term highs during 2006, mainly on the back of investor demand for the metal, analysts and traders said. Other factors expected to boost gold in 2006 are increased central-bank buying of gold for reserve holdings as well as inflationary concerns. "Key to the gold market was Asian central bank buying of gold. The Russian central bank recently indicated that it had started to buy gold."

Quote: Of course this site looks like they're trying to sell gold-so all the stories say it's going up. Looks like it will , though.


There's always somebody touting gold somewhere, but the sad truth is that most people lose money investing in it.

[Vakten]

[quote="JLB"] [Bible]Monkey wrote: JLB wrote: I invest in guns, because if it society ever breaks down to where gold is needed, I'll just take somebody else's. 8:)

Quote: Good idea JLB. Or you could hedge your bets-and invest only in guns that are made out of gold.

:)

And change my name to Scaramonga? :lol:

Quote: Gold expected to scale new heights in 2006 (SA 12/23)
The price of gold is expected to climb to fresh long-term highs during 2006, mainly on the back of investor demand for the metal, analysts and traders said. Other factors expected to boost gold in 2006 are increased central-bank buying of gold for reserve holdings as well as inflationary concerns. "Key to the gold market was Asian central bank buying of gold. The Russian central bank recently indicated that it had started to buy gold."

Quote: Of course this site looks like they're trying to sell gold-so all the stories say it's going up. Looks like it will , though.


There's always somebody touting gold somewhere, but the sad truth is that most people lose money investing in it.

JLB....between the one cat pwn'ing the other cat, and Zangeif from Street Fighter 2 piledriving a baby, I'll just agree with everything you have to say=0)

You don't mess with a guy heartless enough to piledrive a baby=0)

[Rhoades]

Vakten wrote: You forgot to mention that when George Washington and his men where sitting, and freezing, and starving at Valley Forge, the moneychangers sitting in the Continental Congress where drafting plans to replace Washington with a General that would surrender to Britain because the war was not "profitable" for them.

I don't know how far deep the rabbit hole goes, but there are "deffinatly" some mean spirited people in charge of the banks, and I do not trust them.

I believe fully that the civil war would have eventually been waged on this issue alone even without the slavery issue.

Poor white farmers don't die on a battlefield in defense of a rich man's slave right.

Further still, Northern soldiers didn't even know what the hell they where fighting over. At the beginning it was an issue of maintaining the Union, but it was a Union that was being centralized in Washington, and a Union that was going bankrupt. Lincoln had the bankers barking at his door, and rather then give in, the most heroic act in my opinion that Lincoln ever did was that he tried to issue Greenbacks to fund the war effort.

Unfortunatly, Lincoln's greenback effort failed as the war dragged on, and he was "forced"...please understand that I use the word "forced" to turn to the bankers for the funds to continue the war.

And the bankers loved it.

In the South however, you had Stonewall Jackson who did not desire to live should the South lose the war. He called any Northern Victory, as simply a victory for the commerce bankers. Many Southerners shared this view....so much so that MANY protections where included in the Confederate Constitution.

The first SEVEN powers delegated to the Confederate Legislature read as follows...

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csa.htm#a7

Confederate Constitution wrote: Sec. 8. The Congress shall have power-

(I) To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States.

(2) To borrow money on the credit of the Confederate States.

(3) To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; but neither this, nor any other clause contained in the Constitution, shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce; except for the purpose of furnishing lights, beacons, and buoys, and other aids to navigation upon the coasts, and the improvement of harbors and the removing of obstructions in river navigation; in all which cases such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby as may be necessary to pay the costs and expenses thereof.

(4) To establish uniform laws of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies, throughout the Confederate States; but no law of Congress shall discharge any debt contracted before the passage of the same.

(5) To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

(6) To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the Confederate States.

(7) To establish post offices and post routes; but the expenses of the Post Office Department, after the Ist day of March in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and sixty-three, shall be paid out of its own revenues.

As you can see, it reads almost exactly like our own Constitution, except that sentences where added to provide protections against Commerce. There where also other protections added, but I'm not going to post the entire Confederate Constitution here. Use the link and read it for yourself.

The Civil War was faught over this. I'm not saying it was the most important issue to the people, but to the bankers....it was a heck of alot more important then Slavery that the South be crushed.

Very interesting post, I enjoyed reading it. :tu:

[Vakten]

Rhoades wrote: Vakten wrote: You forgot to mention that when George Washington and his men where sitting, and freezing, and starving at Valley Forge, the moneychangers sitting in the Continental Congress where drafting plans to replace Washington with a General that would surrender to Britain because the war was not "profitable" for them.

I don't know how far deep the rabbit hole goes, but there are "deffinatly" some mean spirited people in charge of the banks, and I do not trust them.

I believe fully that the civil war would have eventually been waged on this issue alone even without the slavery issue.

Poor white farmers don't die on a battlefield in defense of a rich man's slave right.

Further still, Northern soldiers didn't even know what the hell they where fighting over. At the beginning it was an issue of maintaining the Union, but it was a Union that was being centralized in Washington, and a Union that was going bankrupt. Lincoln had the bankers barking at his door, and rather then give in, the most heroic act in my opinion that Lincoln ever did was that he tried to issue Greenbacks to fund the war effort.

Unfortunatly, Lincoln's greenback effort failed as the war dragged on, and he was "forced"...please understand that I use the word "forced" to turn to the bankers for the funds to continue the war.

And the bankers loved it.

In the South however, you had Stonewall Jackson who did not desire to live should the South lose the war. He called any Northern Victory, as simply a victory for the commerce bankers. Many Southerners shared this view....so much so that MANY protections where included in the Confederate Constitution.

The first SEVEN powers delegated to the Confederate Legislature read as follows...

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csa.htm#a7

Confederate Constitution wrote: Sec. 8. The Congress shall have power-

(I) To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises for revenue, necessary to pay the debts, provide for the common defense, and carry on the Government of the Confederate States; but no bounties shall be granted from the Treasury; nor shall any duties or taxes on importations from foreign nations be laid to promote or foster any branch of industry; and all duties, imposts, and excises shall be uniform throughout the Confederate States.

(2) To borrow money on the credit of the Confederate States.

(3) To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; but neither this, nor any other clause contained in the Constitution, shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce; except for the purpose of furnishing lights, beacons, and buoys, and other aids to navigation upon the coasts, and the improvement of harbors and the removing of obstructions in river navigation; in all which cases such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby as may be necessary to pay the costs and expenses thereof.

(4) To establish uniform laws of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies, throughout the Confederate States; but no law of Congress shall discharge any debt contracted before the passage of the same.

(5) To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

(6) To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the Confederate States.

(7) To establish post offices and post routes; but the expenses of the Post Office Department, after the Ist day of March in the year of our Lord eighteen hundred and sixty-three, shall be paid out of its own revenues.

As you can see, it reads almost exactly like our own Constitution, except that sentences where added to provide protections against Commerce. There where also other protections added, but I'm not going to post the entire Confederate Constitution here. Use the link and read it for yourself.

The Civil War was faught over this. I'm not saying it was the most important issue to the people, but to the bankers....it was a heck of alot more important then Slavery that the South be crushed.

Very interesting post, I enjoyed reading it. :tu:

I'm a Southern Democrat, that lives very close to where most of these battles where waged. Lexington is "very" close to me, and is where Jackson was born, and where Lee taught college after the war.

Lots of history here. Like all Southern Dems, we regret slavery, but still we believe that the rest of the issues for which the South faught, where right on the money... (so to speak).

[Todd D.]

Quote: You have to love an investment that gives you a zero percent inflation adjusted rate of return from 1946-2000.
That's precisely why Gold and Silver are touted as the most stable bases for currency, because they don't appreciate or depreciate, they just remain more or less stable on the aggregate, which prevents inflation and deflation, respectively.

Regardless, Robodoon hasn't the foggiest clue how the Federal Reserve system works, he's just cutting and pasting from other websites because it happens to agree that the US is corrupt. He's already demonstrated a lack of knowledge on this subject in the exact same thread that's currently in the Conspiracies forum (which, I can only assume, is why he double posted this back into P&G).

[Anjire2]

[quote="JLB"][quote="[Bible]Monkey"] JLB wrote: I invest in guns, because if it society ever breaks down to where gold is needed, I'll just take somebody else's. 8:)

Quote: Good idea JLB. Or you could hedge your bets-and invest only in guns that are made out of gold.

:)

And change my name to Scaramonga? :lol:

Yeah, but didn't Scaramonga have three nipples too? :lol:

[Trajan]

[quote="Todd D."] Quote:
it happens to agree that the US is corrupt. He's already demonstrated a lack of knowledge on this subject in the exact same thread that's currently in the Conspiracies forum (which, I can only assume, is why he double posted this back into P&G).

He also has a bigger audience in P&G.

[GodTom]

FCTE wrote: What it comes down to is you cannot eat money or gold.

Lincoln was our greatest president. Wilson and FDR are the idiots.

You forgot to add John Adams too.

[Robodoon]

Trajan wrote: Robodoon wrote: Abraham Lincoln was an IDIOT!!
Quote:
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching. It unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country... the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign"' by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war."
-Abraham Lincoln, - In a letter written to William Elkin just after the passage of the National Banking Act of 1863 and less than five months before he was assassinated.


Considering he was assassinated on April 15 1865, and the NBA was passed in 1863. I have to wonder about your math and thread title.

Well thank you, i'll have to check my sources ;)

[Robodoon]

JLB wrote: Robodoon wrote: JLB wrote: Pzatchok wrote: I still don't get it.

Whats the real point of this thread?

I think a bank turned down Robodon's loan, and he's mad. :lol:

everythings a joke :cry:

Well, you seem to not like banks, so there must be some root cause that can explain why.

I like banks, as they allow me to finance a house, and cars, and even give me a place to put my money, so I don't have to carry huge sacks of gold around in a wheelbarrow.

My life is better because of banks. 8:)

if you owe the Bank money the Bank owns what you have, and the bank makes money out of the Air and places the debt on "WE THE PEOPLE" back.

thats not very nice, its nice for the bankers but we pay the bills.

[Robodoon]

Pzatchok wrote: Robodoon wrote: Pzatchok wrote: Actually Robo i have several certificates of "real" money.

Do you think I should take them to the bank and get my silver and gold for them?

Well you can try I think they will just look at you. :shock: and wonder what your talking about.

But if you can get the gold and silver I would take it and hold it and hide it, because if what I think is going to happen, happens, I think there is a real chance gold will be taken again....but its better then paper that will just lose its value and the piper is paid.



You know what Robo.
I can take my 2001 doller bills and buy gold and silver on the open market today. Does that make my 2001 dollers less valuable, more valuable of just as valuable as my silver certificates? (not counting there collector values)

But whats your dollar worth, money used to be tied to precious metals.