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[thundertaker]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: thundertaker wrote: How multiculural is Northern Ireland then? Compared to the average British city. You see, if you have a higher proportion of non-whites, there is more scope for racist incidents, as opposed to one that is almost entirely white. Let's also factor in the fact that almost half the community is fearfull of calling the police, and wouldn't report a racist incident if it where to happen, lest the Republican paramilitaries come round with baseball bats to destroy the kneecaps of anyone suspected of being a 'tout'...........

You're sadly mistaken friend. I haven't heard of any Republican punishment beatings in about 5 or 6 years. And trust me, the lack of them has led to a lot more social problems here. You're point about having a more multicultural mix is a bit questionable. Are you saying that it's justifiable to have more racially motivated attacks simply because there are more ethnic minorities? So basically, ethnic minorities should stay in smaller communities or communes so as to avoid getting beaten up?

Yes good point friend... :?

No numbnuts. More ethnic minorities mean their are more of them to suffer racial harassment, and then report it, thus increasing the potential for there being more vicitms of racial attack....... :roll:

So, do catholics call the police when crime happens now, or do they just sit back like you seem to be doing and pine for the days of summarary justice meted out by paramilitary thugs?

[De Bhaldraithe]

Luckily enough Numbnuts, I haven't had the misfortune to be the victim of a crime in recent times. And the fact of the matter is simply that nationalists do not have confidence or faith in the police service that we have. I long for the day when we can be confident in our police service. but Catholics as it stands feel "scared" to join the PSNI at this time. I personally would love to see Catholics join the police. To be able to see that I know a policeman would be great. But I can't say that, unfortunately.

Your argument for there being more racially motivated attacks in England is very weak. Just because there are more ethnic minorities there should not mean there are more attacks at all. If there is a larger population of course there should be more attacks, but not just if there is proportionnaly more ethnic minorities, that is ludicrous.

[red dragon]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: Luckily enough Numbnuts, I haven't had the misfortune to be the victim of a crime in recent times. And the fact of the matter is simply that nationalists do not have confidence or faith in the police service that we have. I long for the day when we can be confident in our police service. but Catholics as it stands feel "scared" to join the PSNI at this time. I personally would love to see Catholics join the police. To be able to see that I know a policeman would be great. But I can't say that, unfortunately.

Your argument for there being more racially motivated attacks in England is very weak. Just because there are more ethnic minorities there should not mean there are more attacks at all. If there is a larger population of course there should be more attacks, but not just if there is proportionnaly more ethnic minorities, that is ludicrous.

Eh? if you have a city of 100,000 and a racial minority of 10% that means 10,000 people can be racially abused. If you have six counties with 0.9% racial minority, what does that leave in scope of racial abuse??? Why are you saying it's not true when a simple mathamatical equation says it is so?? Do you just go through life denying everything that is put to you???

[BLHutch]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: And the fact of the matter is simply that nationalists do not have confidence or faith in the police service that we have. I long for the day when we can be confident in our police service. but Catholics as it stands feel "scared" to join the PSNI at this time.

Professional curiousity leads me to ask if the same is true for the Fire Service?

Brady

[red dragon]

What bloody difference does it make they would all turn in on themselves and tear eachother apart if it wasn't for the police force and some resemblance of law and order. You should ask these apologists how they feel about the IRA kidnapping innocents wives and kids and making the father drive a suicide bomb into a police checkpoint. As what has happened before, they learnt that from their friends the PLO........

[De Bhaldraithe]

BLHutch wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote: And the fact of the matter is simply that nationalists do not have confidence or faith in the police service that we have. I long for the day when we can be confident in our police service. but Catholics as it stands feel "scared" to join the PSNI at this time.

Professional curiousity leads me to ask if the same is true for the Fire Service?

Brady

Discard the ignoramus above.

No, the same is not for the fire service, though there is quite a big (and concerning) culture of children and teenagers attacking fire service vehicles when called out.

The reason that we have no confidence in the "police force" is because of the harassment that Catholics have had to endure in the recent past at the hands of the police force and British security forces. Add to that the fact that they helped loyalist drug dealers kill innocent Catholics and you'll see how justified we are in our discomfort.

[BLHutch]

De Bhaldraithe wrote:
Discard the ignoramus above.

No, the same is not for the fire service, though there is quite a big (and concerning) culture of children and teenagers attacking fire service vehicles when called out.

The reason that we have no confidence in the "police force" is because of the harassment that Catholics have had to endure in the recent past at the hands of the police force and British security forces. Add to that the fact that they helped loyalist drug dealers kill innocent Catholics and you'll see how justified we are in our discomfort.

Quite understandable. Thanks for the answer.

[red dragon]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: BLHutch wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote: And the fact of the matter is simply that nationalists do not have confidence or faith in the police service that we have. I long for the day when we can be confident in our police service. but Catholics as it stands feel "scared" to join the PSNI at this time.

Professional curiousity leads me to ask if the same is true for the Fire Service?

Brady

Discard the ignoramus above.

No, the same is not for the fire service, though there is quite a big (and concerning) culture of children and teenagers attacking fire service vehicles when called out.

The reason that we have no confidence in the "police force" is because of the harassment that Catholics have had to endure in the recent past at the hands of the police force and British security forces. Add to that the fact that they helped loyalist drug dealers kill innocent Catholics and you'll see how justified we are in our discomfort.

Both sides are drug running and you also forgot the recent £25m bank robbery. The police were right bastards to the catholic population and they have every right to be mistrusting of them..........but times are now changing, that excuse will wear thin soon enough. As for the security forces, they wouldn't even be there if you two sides behaved like adults.

You fail to mention British soldiers trying to disarm Protestant bombs placed in catholic areas, whilst enduring the local population throwing battery acid at them and pipebombs, attacking the fire brigade or bombing old age pensioners who were veterand of WW2 commemorating their fallen comrades.But i won't go into the callaboration with the natzies, that's too sensitive

[De Bhaldraithe]

red dragon wrote:
As for the security forces, they wouldn't even be there if you two sides behaved like adults.


Why did you say that? You're a very annoying excuse for a human being! If you bastards hadn't have invaded the island 800 years ago, we wouldn't have had any trouble at all. Don't go down that road you walt!

[red dragon]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: red dragon wrote:
As for the security forces, they wouldn't even be there if you two sides behaved like adults.


Why did you say that? You're a very annoying excuse for a human being! If you bastards hadn't have invaded the island 800 years ago, we wouldn't have had any trouble at all. Don't go down that road you walt!

Who invaded??? Wasn't it a Dutch king?? Wasn't it due to the glorious revolution that he succeeded in claiming the throne??? Look at my flag dipstick I'm Welsh. This is the inherent problem with the Republican movement they are still stuck in the 800 years ago mentallity, no wonder nothing has been achieved. Aren't the peotestants of Scottish decent?? Keep your bigotry in your precious 6 counties it means nothing to the people of the UK, even though we fork billions a year to keep you lot from killing eachother and you still can't get people around a table to sort yourselves out. You have bombed and mutilated thousands and the IRA has killed more of it's own ctholics than the other sides combined.

Your the poor excuse, you apologise and excuse all manner of attrocities and fail to address modernity in a rapidly growing 21st century. I just pity you,you poor man.

[De Bhaldraithe]

red dragon wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote: red dragon wrote:
As for the security forces, they wouldn't even be there if you two sides behaved like adults.


Why did you say that? You're a very annoying excuse for a human being! If you bastards hadn't have invaded the island 800 years ago, we wouldn't have had any trouble at all. Don't go down that road you walt!

Who invaded??? Wasn't it a Dutch king?? Wasn't it due to the glorious revolution that he succeeded in claiming the throne??? Look at my flag dipstick I'm Welsh. This is the inherent problem with the Republican movement they are still stuck in the 800 years ago mentallity, no wonder nothing has been achieved. Aren't the peotestants of Scottish decent?? Keep your bigotry in your precious 6 counties it means nothing to the people of the UK, even though we fork billions a year to keep you lot from killing eachother and you still can't get people around a table to sort yourselves out. You have bombed and mutilated thousands and the IRA has killed more of it's own ctholics than the other sides combined.

Your the poor excuse, you apologise and excuse all manner of attrocities and fail to address modernity in a rapidly growing 21st century. I just pity you,you poor man.

You were the one that brought up the past first you stupid person. You are definitely the worst debator I have came across.

Yes, you are Welsh - you are British. Scottish people are British also, not just the English. If you are going to be generalistic then so too shall I.

Well arsehole, if you knew anything about the situation you would know that the IRA are doing the most out of those involved to get somewhere in the process. If anyone is to be blamed for constant stalling it is the DUP.

Again I apologise for nothing, and I excuse nothing, why do you insist on repeating that? Go away and read a few books about the subject or read a few good newspaper articles before spouting off your stupid and ilinformed opinions.

By the way, for a Brit, your spelling is atrocious! You aint using The Queens Proper Spoken Englandish! Use the spelcheck at the bottom of the page - just a friendly tip.

[red dragon]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: red dragon wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote: red dragon wrote:
As for the security forces, they wouldn't even be there if you two sides behaved like adults.


Why did you say that? You're a very annoying excuse for a human being! If you bastards hadn't have invaded the island 800 years ago, we wouldn't have had any trouble at all. Don't go down that road you walt!

Who invaded??? Wasn't it a Dutch king?? Wasn't it due to the glorious revolution that he succeeded in claiming the throne??? Look at my flag dipstick I'm Welsh. This is the inherent problem with the Republican movement they are still stuck in the 800 years ago mentallity, no wonder nothing has been achieved. Aren't the peotestants of Scottish decent?? Keep your bigotry in your precious 6 counties it means nothing to the people of the UK, even though we fork billions a year to keep you lot from killing eachother and you still can't get people around a table to sort yourselves out. You have bombed and mutilated thousands and the IRA has killed more of it's own ctholics than the other sides combined.

Your the poor excuse, you apologise and excuse all manner of attrocities and fail to address modernity in a rapidly growing 21st century. I just pity you,you poor man.

You were the one that brought up the past first you stupid person. You are definitely the worst debator I have came across.

Yes, you are Welsh - you are British. Scottish people are British also, not just the English. If you are going to be generalistic then so too shall I.

Well arsehole, if you knew anything about the situation you would know that the IRA are doing the most out of those involved to get somewhere in the process. If anyone is to be blamed for constant stalling it is the DUP.

Again I apologise for nothing, and I excuse nothing, why do you insist on repeating that? Go away and read a few books about the subject or read a few good newspaper articles before spouting off your stupid and ilinformed opinions.

By the way, for a Brit, your spelling is atrocious! You aint using The Queens Proper Spoken Englandish! Use the spelcheck at the bottom of the page - just a friendly tip.

So many insults :roll: :roll: The IRA are continuing to rob, steal, kill and threaten, even Gerry Adams can't control them anymore. Yep the DUP are morons also I would agree.

Quote: Again I apologise for nothing, and I excuse nothing

That is plainly obvious when it comes to terrorism.

BTW my keyboard is broken I'm buying a new one tomorrow. Damn space bar spring has gone. Who are you calling a bad debator,you have been on the back foot all along and have made excuse after excuse. Who gave you the moral authority to claim your an expert debator after 29 posts??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[De Bhaldraithe]

It should be "You're" - not "Your".

For God's sake, you come over here and rape our land of culture and language, forcing this bastard language upon us, and you cannot even speak it properly yourself.

I never claimed I was an expert debator, I just said you are a terrible one. You just keep repeating yourself and keep talking crap so that's how I justify it. Sound alright to you?

[red dragon]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: It should be "You're" - not "Your".

For God's sake, you come over here and rape our land of culture and language, forcing this bastard language upon us, and you cannot even speak it properly yourself.

I never claimed I was an expert debator, I just said you are a terrible one. You just keep repeating yourself and keep talking crap so that's how I justify it. Sound alright to you?

So how do you know I can't speak it?? Heard me talk have you?? Picking up typos is also a sure sign that someone is on the back foot and picking up straw men. Maybe you should use spell check you spelt debater wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol: Practice what you preach numpty. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stupid does what stupid does :roll: :roll:

[De Bhaldraithe]

red dragon wrote: De Bhaldraithe wrote: It should be "You're" - not "Your".

For God's sake, you come over here and rape our land of culture and language, forcing this bastard language upon us, and you cannot even speak it properly yourself.

I never claimed I was an expert debator, I just said you are a terrible one. You just keep repeating yourself and keep talking crap so that's how I justify it. Sound alright to you?

So how do you know I can't speak it?? Heard me talk have you?? Picking up typos is also a sure sign that someone is on the back foot and picking up straw men. Maybe you should use spell check you spelt debater wrong. :lol: :lol: :lol: Practice what you preach numpty. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stupid does what stupid does :roll: :roll:

Glad too see you're coming along son.

I'm certainly not on the back foot - I'm just fed up trying to educate a very simple and narrow-minded person that refuses to accept the fact that their perceptions are wrong.

My class of seven year old children are more mature than you when it comes to tabling a meaningful argument.

[thundertaker]

Quote: My class of seven year old children are more mature than you when it comes to tabling a meaningful argument.

Good GOD, you have access to to the minds of innocent children?!?!?

[De Bhaldraithe]

thundertaker wrote: Quote: My class of seven year old children are more mature than you when it comes to tabling a meaningful argument.

Good GOD, you have access to to the minds of innocent children?!?!?

Yup, I'm sure they'll turn out to be bigots just like myself. For shame. Someone contact the authorities quick before I poison their young minds even moreso.

[thundertaker]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: thundertaker wrote: Quote: My class of seven year old children are more mature than you when it comes to tabling a meaningful argument.

Good GOD, you have access to to the minds of innocent children?!?!?

Yup, I'm sure they'll turn out to be bigots just like myself. For shame. Someone contact the authorities quick before I poison their young minds even moreso.

This isn't even funny, you actually have a job were you can fill 7 year olds heads full of this hateful rubbish justifying terrorism and sectarian violence? f***ing hell, I have a 6 year old cousin who is catholic, if she lived in Northern Ireland, she could be being taught by a nutter like you who lglorifies the neferous activities of a degenerate mafia like the IRA. There but for the grace of God.... :x

[mulberrymagnet]

thundertaker wrote: maxtsu wrote: Pebble wrote: Quote: Yet they are they only people in the world who define themselves as British!

Erm...I define myself as British, and so do a lot of English people...
But are you english first, then british?
Or vice-versa?

All my english friends are; english first, british second.

British and English in equal measure, European DEAD LAST..........

English.
British.
Martian.
Eskimo.
American.
European would come just after that.

[mulberrymagnet]

De Bhaldraithe wrote: thundertaker wrote: How multiculural is Northern Ireland then? Compared to the average British city. You see, if you have a higher proportion of non-whites, there is more scope for racist incidents, as opposed to one that is almost entirely white. Let's also factor in the fact that almost half the community is fearfull of calling the police, and wouldn't report a racist incident if it where to happen, lest the Republican paramilitaries come round with baseball bats to destroy the kneecaps of anyone suspected of being a 'tout'...........

You're sadly mistaken friend. I haven't heard of any Republican punishment beatings in about 5 or 6 years. And trust me, the lack of them has led to a lot more social problems here. You're point about having a more multicultural mix is a bit questionable. Are you saying that it's justifiable to have more racially motivated attacks simply because there are more ethnic minorities? So basically, ethnic minorities should stay in smaller communities or communes so as to avoid getting beaten up?

Yes good point friend... :?

Who killed Donaldson then? The milkman?