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thundertaker · Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject:

Reason wrote: Quote: I think it's pretty much a given that if the Chinese tried to fight outside their territory, they'd be destroyed fairly quickly. But how on earth would America and it's allies be able to invade and occupy a country that could have potentially 100s of millions of men under arms?

They wouldn't need to occupy the country in order to topple the government.

If the people of that country perceived the americans as the aggressor it would be impossible to topple the government without invading and occupying the country, and frankly, I cannot see that being possible in a country as large and populous as china. (and that's not even counting the fact China has nukes that would make short work of any force threatening their fundamental territorial integrity).....

dgs_vex · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 117

you also read the part where we could of dropped atomic bombs on them right? luckily for them we didn't.

Russia maybe? but Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia..lol. i don't think Russia will help china. this has nothing to do with the shanghai 5, after all this is the ambition of the country of china. not communism or anything that would interest Russia or the rest of the shanghai 5. would you call Taiwan a terrorist? after all they are suppose to be promoting peace not war.

"In addition, the Shanghai Five has helped combat and at least discourage attempts to spread religious fundamentalism in the region"
yeah what you said earlier. pissed of muslims. if you are not a friend of mine, then you are my enemy. from one holy warrior

Lancaster · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Ottawa

dgs_vex wrote: you also read the part where we could of dropped atomic bombs on them right? luckily for them we didn't.

Russia maybe? but Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia..lol. i don't think Russia will help china. this has nothing to do with the shanghai 5, after all this is the ambition of the country of china. not communism or anything that would interest Russia or the rest of the shanghai 5. would you call Taiwan a terrorist? after all they are suppose to be promoting peace not war.

"In addition, the Shanghai Five has helped combat and at least discourage attempts to spread religious fundamentalism in the region"
yeah what you said earlier. pissed of muslims. if you are not a friend of mine, then you are my enemy. from one holy warrior

Right, Russia... you think Russia is your friend? what about when Putin went behind your back and had open talks with Hamas? Putin and Hu are good friends, and Russia has traditionally been a great ally of China. Can't say the same about the states.

Also, China has a fair arsenal of nuclear missiles itself. if you fire yours, then you'd better head for the fallout shelter, because there's gonna be some flying right back at you.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: If the people of that country perceived the americans as the aggressor it would be impossible to topple the government without invading and occupying the country, and frankly, I cannot see that being possible in a country as large and populous as china. (and that's not even counting the fact China has nukes that would make short work of any force threatening their fundamental territorial integrity).....

The Chinese would break into factions when their government lost it's strong grip, not like Iraq but amongst the elites. I also discounted nukes because of course there'll be no war as they both have them. It was just abstract thought.

SCC · Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 1070 Location: somewhere

I wish people like Reason and that interesting American dude would stop posting unintelligent theories about China's war capabilities. China is as the British called them, inscrutable.

antonio62 · Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:46 am Post subject:

The_Right_Honourable wrote: Globalisation is making another world war impossible. Itd be economic suicide.

Oh. The US and Taiwan have a treaty of mutual defence. China will never invade.

They said that about Germany and Britian in WW1. It would be incredibly stupid of America and China to war with each other it would cripple both there ecconomys and leave huge numbers dead. America may well be able to dfeat China just now but in 5 or 10 years it'll be a lot closer thing to call. China might even be stronger we don't know how things will pan out.

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: I wish people like Reason and that interesting American dude would stop posting unintelligent theories about China's war capabilities. China is as the British called them, inscrutable.

It's not like I've never spent any time there...nor am I exactly making a ridiculous claim. I simply saying that the Chinese airforce would stand a chance (do you disagree with this) which logically means their navy wouldn't stand a chance (that's just modern warfare for you) which in turn means no crossing the sea - unless you think they're going to swim.

Having no airforce also means that marching troops over open land is not going to work. I am also pointing out the fact that the government is not there because it's popular and that China ia a vast country very likely to split apart when the central power is gone - especially the Tibetan and Xinjiang provinces and possibly HK and the Guangdong region. Even inner Mongolia could prefer to join Mongolia proper. The han Chinese elite is also divided, and their power struggles are not completely unreported or unseen.

Furthermore it's unlikely that those who protested in Tianemen (1989) are all dead or that those who sympathise have diminshed in number whilst China has got infinetley richer and more educated - quite the opposite I suspect.

If you can find anything here to disagree with other than calling it 'ridiculous' or sticking your fingers in your ears or whatever you're doing.

dgs_vex · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 117

Lancaster wrote: dgs_vex wrote: you also read the part where we could of dropped atomic bombs on them right? luckily for them we didn't.

Russia maybe? but Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia..lol. i don't think Russia will help china. this has nothing to do with the shanghai 5, after all this is the ambition of the country of china. not communism or anything that would interest Russia or the rest of the shanghai 5. would you call Taiwan a terrorist? after all they are suppose to be promoting peace not war.

"In addition, the Shanghai Five has helped combat and at least discourage attempts to spread religious fundamentalism in the region"
yeah what you said earlier. pissed of muslims. if you are not a friend of mine, then you are my enemy. from one holy warrior

Right, Russia... you think Russia is your friend? what about when Putin went behind your back and had open talks with Hamas? Putin and Hu are good friends, and Russia has traditionally been a great ally of China. Can't say the same about the states.

Also, China has a fair arsenal of nuclear missiles itself. if you fire yours, then you'd better head for the fallout shelter, because there's gonna be some flying right back at you.

so china and Russia attacks the US. then we'll die. how sad. chances of the earth surviving a nuclear winter is really slim. MAD is a 100% choice of action. not only do we have a really large nuclear weapons cache in the states but in various bases over the world. under sea, Bahrain, japan, Philippines and south Korea. chances of anybody surviving(except for cockroaches) are extremly slim.

i don't really care if the world gets obiverated. thats just the stubbornness of humans. we deserved it for not making up. in that case, its pointless to defend my country needless to say the world. we dont deserve to live. we cant even take care of ourselves, how can we care for the world? there was no such thing as protecting ones country to start with, no national mission for survival. what was our mission in the first place?

we have lost our way, people are doing an awful job of guiding our nation. all we do is complain and bit©h about how awful our president is. doenst bother me a bit. i dont take orders from anybody except the president or the people appointed by the president. i will happily press a button to kill us all with no regrets.

Lancaster · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Ottawa

dgs_vex wrote: Lancaster wrote: dgs_vex wrote: you also read the part where we could of dropped atomic bombs on them right? luckily for them we didn't.

Russia maybe? but Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kirghizia..lol. i don't think Russia will help china. this has nothing to do with the shanghai 5, after all this is the ambition of the country of china. not communism or anything that would interest Russia or the rest of the shanghai 5. would you call Taiwan a terrorist? after all they are suppose to be promoting peace not war.

"In addition, the Shanghai Five has helped combat and at least discourage attempts to spread religious fundamentalism in the region"
yeah what you said earlier. pissed of muslims. if you are not a friend of mine, then you are my enemy. from one holy warrior

Right, Russia... you think Russia is your friend? what about when Putin went behind your back and had open talks with Hamas? Putin and Hu are good friends, and Russia has traditionally been a great ally of China. Can't say the same about the states.

Also, China has a fair arsenal of nuclear missiles itself. if you fire yours, then you'd better head for the fallout shelter, because there's gonna be some flying right back at you.

so china and Russia attacks the US. then we'll die. how sad. chances of the earth surviving a nuclear winter is really slim. MAD is a 100% choice of action. not only do we have a really large nuclear weapons cache in the states but in various bases over the world. under sea, Bahrain, japan, Philippines and south Korea. chances of anybody surviving(except for cockroaches) are extremly slim.

i don't really care if the world gets obiverated. thats just the stubbornness of humans. we deserved it for not making up. in that case, its pointless to defend my country needless to say the world. we dont deserve to live. we cant even take care of ourselves, how can we care for the world? there was no such thing as protecting ones country to start with, no national mission for survival. what was our mission in the first place?

we have lost our way, people are doing an awful job of guiding our nation. all we do is complain and bit©h about how awful our president is. doenst bother me a bit. i dont take orders from anybody except the president or the people appointed by the president. i will happily press a button to kill us all with no regrets.

Sounds more like the stubborness of Americans than the stubborness of Humans. I doubt there would be a nuclear war (I'm talking total war, not including tac nukes like the Salt bomb or Neutron) between China and the states, mainly because the states wouldn't launch a nuclear strike unnecessarily, and China has much more to lose from such a war, due to its insane pop density. You are the one who brought up Nuclear warfare, I doubt those in power would be so reckless, the Cold war has left SOME lessons.

N. Korea however, that's a dangerous country. Kim Jong Il, he is only relevant due to his stockpile, and as Star Wars Missile defense starts to take off, so to say, he may see his only currency suddenly disappear. When this happens let's all hope that Mr. Il can see the big picture and not do anything rash. If he does though, China is their ally.

dgs_vex · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 117

actually its more of "putting knowledge on the internet". but its good to know some people care.

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
haven't seen so stupid thread before,even in Chinese internet

God d*** b***,poor stupid script editor :lol: :lol: :lol:

mmm..as a normal Chinese,I reject this awful script to an awful Hollywood producer,aha... :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh,I can't help laughing :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lancaster · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Ottawa

skylance wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
haven't seen so stupid thread before,even in Chinese internet

God d*** b***,poor stupid script editor :lol: :lol: :lol:

mmm..as a normal Chinese,I reject this awful script to an awful Hollywood producer,aha... :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh,I can't help laughing :lol: :lol: :lol:

trying to increase your post counter I see

TwinkieDP · Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 3571 Location: US

^^ Why oh why did you quote Mr. Smiley Face??

Lancaster · Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 79 Location: Ottawa

TwinkieDP wrote: ^^ Why oh why did you quote Mr. Smiley Face??

Because I was commenting on what he wrote

skylance · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 163

Lancaster wrote: TwinkieDP wrote: ^^ Why oh why did you quote Mr. Smiley Face??

Because I was commenting on what he wrote

anybody who has been trained in university( :lol: or IQ over 120) should realize the unreasonable points of this article... 8:) I swear every word is sinister foxy lying except the"terms" and the minister's name.

anyway,we were told to debt everything...including "that thing" which makes us happy :lol:

for example:
Hitler is a “mental patient"--- :lol: it makes all western feel a little more confident of western civilization.believe it or not? mmmm...I prfer western civilization is sicker than Hitler.

1、the whole story is not chinese style,it's American style.remember China PM Zhou Enlai's claim to warn the U.S army not to invade North Korea?
any educated Chinese leader never speaks like Mr.Bush.

2、even 2300 years ago,Chinese agreed that killing P.O.W is unmoral。Chinese culture is mostly based on Confusious' moral system,we don't need a God to conquer the fear of death.
to kill woman and child?and talk about it in public?what a fool to believe it.

3、Chinese is different from western,but not a fool,if you choose what you want to believe,just do it,we don't care.

4、any reliable source of this article?no,if so important an article without any proof to support its' views.is there any value worthy of being argued?

5、this article's chinese version is from Fa lungong's website,God damned,I know this guy,I really want to kick his ass long time before CCP did.

since a boy living in the same apartment with me put one of Li Hongzhi's(the lord of Fa lungong) portrait on his bedroom wall. :twisted: in this pic,this guy pretends to be a Buddha(almost naked). and the poor boy(he is my friend)told me he really found that some miracle..@#$&*$#@!!!

yes,I really want kick his ass....now he is in America,It's very very good.
mmm,just hope he develope faster than in China :lol: :lol:

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

Please differentiate communist party and chinese people,it's communist party not chinese people want to flight with US

anti-communist · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 155

This article authenticity is low,but the chinese authority wlling to show this article in china main political forum and they don’t delete it ,why?Is that mean although this official argues is not true(the min Chi Haotian never accept such interview),the chinese communist party want to thread US by counterfeit this interview

David Kelly · Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 451 Location: Kissimmee, FL

A Communist/Nazi hybrid? That's a new one.

dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

SCC wrote: DD7 wrote: World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

I wonder if this is a hoax, because that was pure propaganda I just read. Propaganda isn't supposed to obvious; I'd very surprised if anyone bought into that.

China's problem is essentially that the Chinese have a very crude sense of nationalism but no real sense that they are actually Chinese. There cannot be any true nationalism beyond incredibly crude propaganda. It is very sad to see how gullible people are but their nationalism is just violent outbursts and never anything constructive.

Regarding the internal divisions in China, it's not just geographical(rural and urban)or just pertaining to language(Cantonese, Madarin), the fact is that China despite seeming homogenous on the surface, is actually comprised of many different ethnic groups(ie. Manchus, Mongolians), anyway, not of pure Han descent that integrated long ago. It's really not unlike the Irish, Scotts, or Poles who arried on Ellis Island and assimilated in America. Back then, people were concerned with whether you were a "natural" Aerican citizen or not as opposed to one who immigrated from Europe. 'Course, today, people could care less, but it the same cannot be said for China it seems. Personally, I think that China is inscrutable, as the British said.

Why is nationlism inferior ? do you enjoy traitors?

dolphin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006 Posts: 142

This topic is a stupid one.