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[DD7]

World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

[thundertaker]

DD7 wrote: World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

So, how exaclty is he planning on getting around the fact that the moment China goes on a mass colonising spree, almost every nuclear power in the world would be pointing their nukes at china to wipe it off the face of the earth?

[eynon]

DD7 wrote: World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

oh yeah, the Chinese Ultra-nationalists......I ran into a bunch of these guys over there, they're not very nice, and very similiar to the German Ultra-nationalists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

anyways, the guys' living in a dream world. The United States could effectivly end Chinese civilization in less then half an hour if the war got too dirty.

Even if they launched a first-strike, they don't have near the number of bombs the Soviets did. They have no-change a wiping out even a large portion of our nuclear capabilities. The American counter attack, on the other hand, would involve thousands of city-killer war heads, and considering the population density of China, when the dust settled their would be no more PRC.

[Canada_Rocks]

DD7 wrote: World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

Whatever. Shoot woman and children? I will have a nice little torture chamber in my basement for captured invading soldiers :lol:

This guy sounds like a nutjob. How the hell are they even going to get to north america??? Rusty cargo ships that their citizens who flee China take?

this is absurdity beyond absurdity.

[foadi]

u think yer so tuff huh

[Canada_Rocks]

foadi wrote: u think yer so tuff huh

Tough? No
armed and smart? yes.

[Robin Hood]

The ranks of the Chinese army are a surpisingly broad church of morons, imbeciles and cretins. If Chinese soldiers landed in the US they would do is get jobs, go to McDonalds, and renounce their ID cards. The Chinese army is also NOT the political decision maker over there.

If war ever broke out I'd suggest enacting my own plan: 'Operation give the other side a pyrrhic victory' simply make a fake defence of the coast, wait for the entire Chinese army to land and then hand them US citizenship.

[Canada_Rocks]

Reason wrote: The ranks of the Chinese army are a surpisingly broad church of morons, imbeciles and cretins. If Chinese soldiers landed in the US they would do is get jobs, go to McDonalds, and renounce their ID cards. The Chinese army is also NOT the political decision maker over there.

If war ever broke out I'd suggest enacting my own plan: 'Operation give the other side a pyrrhic victory' simply make a fake defence of the coast, wait for the entire Chinese army to land and then hand them US citizenship.

LOL.. I like that.

[eynon]

Canada_rocks wrote: DD7 wrote: World War III is near, long speech by Chinese Defense minister

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html

Whatever. Shoot woman and children? I will have a nice little torture chamber in my basement for captured invading soldiers :lol:

This guy sounds like a nutjob. How the hell are they even going to get to north america??? Rusty cargo ships that their citizens who flee China take?

this is absurdity beyond absurdity.

:lol: I know, they'll dig a tunnel!

[eynon]

foadi wrote: u think yer so tuff huh

yep :-D
Your average North American is much tougher then your average Chinese National, I know, I was able to participate in a number of experiments where we settled the debate :twisted:


Reason makes a great point, the majority of Chinese, while rightly proud of their culture and heritage, are not nationalistic, nor are they keen on fighting an dying in their millions to see Beijing's agenda carried through.

Infact my impression upon living there was that Americans are far more nationalistic and militaristic then the average Chinese person. I believe that the American people would be far more gung-ho about fighting China then Chinese would be about fighting Americans.

and thats even without looking at the effects of the one child policy.......

[Robin Hood]

Quote: Reason makes a great point, the majority of Chinese, while rightly proud of their culture and heritage, are not nationalistic, nor are they keen on fighting an dying in their millions to see Beijing's agenda carried through.

Careful. You can make them willing because they are mostly very nationalistic, all (basically) Chinese find it utterly unacceptable that Taiwan would be legally independent. Discussion is limited on this subject, in China, and so these views are never questioned...they are deeply entrenched even amongst the most educated or international.

The government, itself, lacks that natural support but give them the issue of Taiwan and they can achieve it. The anti-Japanese sentiment, however, seems to be mostly a fiction (excluding the old) and limited to a small but vocal minority in the population whilst being fanned by the state.

[eynon]

Reason wrote: Quote: Reason makes a great point, the majority of Chinese, while rightly proud of their culture and heritage, are not nationalistic, nor are they keen on fighting an dying in their millions to see Beijing's agenda carried through.

Careful. You can make them willing because they are mostly very nationalistic, all (basically) Chinese find it utterly unacceptable that Taiwan would be legally independent. Discussion is limited on this subject, in China, and so these views are never questioned...they are deeply entrenched even amongst the most educated or international.

The government, itself, lacks that natural support but give them the issue of Taiwan and they can achieve it. The anti-Japanese sentiment, however, seems to be mostly a fiction (excluding the old) and limited to a small but vocal minority in the population whilst being fanned by the state.

While it's true that most Chinese would like to see Taiwan become more intigrated(the goverment line is that the only reason some Taiwanese want to become independent is because they've been corrupted by Japan), most did not want to wage war over the issue.
They felt that even if Taiwan declares independence they would eventually and peacefully come back to the main-land.

Although I ran into many Chinese who felt that their own provinces should break away from beijing.

All that aside, I could give a rip about how main-land Chinese feel about the issue, the only opinion that I care about is that of the Taiwanese people. If they want to become independent then we should support them, the PRC be damned.

Besides, the PRC is not in a strong enough position to militarily prevent Taiwanese independence, especially if Taiwan has American support.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: Although I ran into many Chinese who felt that their own provinces should break away from beijing.

Really? Han Chinese people?

[eynon]

Reason wrote: Quote: Although I ran into many Chinese who felt that their own provinces should break away from beijing.

Really? Han Chinese people?

Yep....the Han themselves are a very diverse group of people and differ from one another in ways ranging from dialect to bathing habits to religion.

China is a nation of many deep divides; rural/urban, north/south, cantonese/mandarian, etc, etc.

Anyways I worked in both Shaan-xi and Zhe-jiang, and in both very different places I met people who felt that their regions would be better off if Beijing was out of the picture.......I tend to agree.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: Yep....the Han themselves are a very diverse group of people and differ from one another in ways ranging from dialect to bathing habits to religion.

er? I do know...but having travelled extensively in China I recognise that there's a great deal of nationalism.

Quote:
Anyways I worked in both Shaan-xi and Zhe-jiang, and in both very different places I met people who felt that their regions would be better off if Beijing was out of the picture.......I tend to agree.

Fair enough, it's just I've only ever met one (Han) Chinese (also not from Honk Kong) who didn't want a unified China

[TwinkieDP]

Reason wrote:
Quote:
Anyways I worked in both Shaan-xi and Zhe-jiang, and in both very different places I met people who felt that their regions would be better off if Beijing was out of the picture.......I tend to agree.

Fair enough, it's just I've only ever met one (Han) Chinese (also not from Honk Kong) who didn't want a unified China I tend to agree with that as well....

[eynon]

Danpt2000 wrote: Reason wrote:
Quote:
Anyways I worked in both Shaan-xi and Zhe-jiang, and in both very different places I met people who felt that their regions would be better off if Beijing was out of the picture.......I tend to agree.

Fair enough, it's just I've only ever met one (Han) Chinese (also not from Honk Kong) who didn't want a unified China I tend to agree with that as well....

(shrug)maybe it's cause I spent so much time with students.......

[Akajjred]

Eynon81 wrote: foadi wrote: u think yer so tuff huh

yep :-D
Infact my impression upon living there was that Americans are far more nationalistic and militaristic then the average Chinese person. I believe that the American people would be far more gung-ho about fighting China then Chinese would be about fighting Americans.


Very true. Most Americans don't agree with the war in Iraq. 90% would agree with a valid war with China. Chinese people aren't very popular in the US. I don't know why, but they just aren't. China would have no chance in an offensive war because of one reason. The US Air Force. US planes and pilots are wayyyyy better and much more technologically advanced. Although I don't know how well the US would do in their own offensive war because China could easily draft an army 5-6 times bigger than the US army. Where would the EU stand on this? Would it largely depend on where the UN stood on the war?

[thundertaker]

I don't think the EU nation-states feel any serious degree of hostility towards china. The EU has important trading links with the chinese, and wouldn't be best pleased if the US f****d around with them by launching an agressive war against them.
However, if the Chinese attacked america (unlikely) the EU antions would probably enter the fray on the side of the americans, not that they would need the help.

[Nelson]

Since the creation of strategic nuclear weapons, the only way world powers are able to attack one another is through aerial bombing missions. Even this technique faces the possibility that the enemy might respond overwhelmingly - and we all know where that ends up.

There is no way for China to send its troops to the US via ship. We have strategic nukes for a reason, and there is absolutely 0% hesitancy to use a nuclear weapon in the middle of an ocean where no civilians are around.

ICBM's further limit the means by which one superpower can attack another - these superpowers have no more need to rely upon other nations. Any direct war between superpowers would result in complete and obvious mutual destruction, because no nation in the world has yet the ability to stop an aircraft carrying a nuclear weapon in a suicide-mission, and the results of trying to find means to stop ICBM's has been equally uneffective.