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Don’t say anything bad about Quebec

By

James Bredin

Don’t ever say anything bad about Quebec,
Just send a billion or two and sign the check,
They should and will get much more because they deserve,
More equalization too because they have lots of nerve.

Though those equalization payments keep them well fed,
Billions upon billions plus the sponsorship bread,
Is this welfare entitlement mentality?
Established by Ottawa abnormality?

And that’s not all; they’re furious and mad as hell,
Though they run Ottawa like a school and ring the bell,
They have a referendum about every ten years,
To separate from Ottawa and leave us in tears.

We have bilingualism stuffed from east to west,
While they’re unilingual French which is never stressed.
Have we all gone mad somewhere along the way?
Did Chretien’s Charter of Rights turn our feet to clay?

Our status-quo guys in Ottawa will never change,
Can’t see the writing on the wall; can’t rearrange,
Can’t vote a prime minister or a senator in,
Or ask an appointee judge if she plays the violin.

And maybe we’ll get a government minority,
With honesty more prevalent than authority,
And what about referendums and recall and such?
Or maybe impeachment with political research?

Wednesday, February 25, 2004

[Yukon]

The majority of Americans have no idea where Quebec is.

[Janis]

I've never been to Canada. Do they all think going into Iraq was unjust?

Whatever side your on about WMD's (the entire world knew he had them, and used them). Besides that, there was numerous "reasons" we had to remove this madman, do they beleive it to be "unjust" to stop the brutality?

What's up with immigration? Just how lenient are they, and is there outrage?

It's good to get a perspective from a Canadian.

[Ron Conley]

janis wrote: I've never been to Canada. Do they all think going into Iraq was unjust?

Whatever side your on about WMD's (the entire world knew he had them, and used them). Besides that, there was numerous "reasons" we had to remove this madman, do they beleive it to be "unjust" to stop the brutality?

There are plenty of people in the good ol' USA who think going to war in Iraq was unjust and this may suprise you, but some of them are actually active on this forum. I won't debate this with you because the question wasn't directed at me, but our neighbors to the north were right in not joining the coalition. Kudos Canada!

[Yukon]

janis wrote:

"...Whatever side your on about WMD's (the entire world knew he had them, and used them)..."



I just can't believe how naive some people can be, indeed fanatical. How can thinking person believe Junior's WMD theory? They have not found a trace of WMD. Wake up, give your head a shake - BUSH lied to the world !

[Janis]

Ron Conley wrote:

There are plenty of people in the good ol' USA who think going to war in Iraq was unjust and this may suprise you.
Our neighbors to the north were right in not joining the coalition. Kudos Canada!

I know what some misguided Americans think. I wanted a Canadian view, because you don't know the truth just by listening to all the "left-wing" reporting that goes on. I beleive most Americans understand why The Coalition of the Willing" went. Poland didn't buy into the don't touch Saddam mentality. Neither did alot of the formally oppressed people in the old Soviet Union.

[Janis]

Yukon wrote: janis wrote:

"...Whatever side your on about WMD's (the entire world knew he had them, and used them)..."



I just can't believe how naive some people can be, indeed fanatical. How can thinking person believe Junior's WMD theory? They have not found a trace of WMD. Wake up, give your head a shake - BUSH lied to the world !

Wow! You deny Saddam ever possessed or ever used them. This is what is incredible. Inaction was not an option. Saddam chose his own fate.
I suggest you go back and check your history. But, then facts don't factor into your way of thinking, I forgot.

[Scope]

Janis, I must ask, what are you thinking?

Quote: I've never been to Canada. Do they all think going into Iraq was unjust?


Yes, we all think of one mind....and we all live in igloos too.

I don't intend on being mean, but surely a little thought on your part would lead you to believe that Canadians don't all think the same on every issue.

Quote: What's up with immigration? Just how lenient are they, and is there outrage?

Our immigration policy, despite constant attacks that it is too lenient is one of the strictest in the world.

What outrage? Thats a non-sequitor.

Quote: Whatever side your on about WMD's (the entire world knew he had them, and used them). Besides that, there was numerous "reasons" we had to remove this madman, do they beleive it to be "unjust" to stop the brutality?

Without a doubt I am very much in favour of stopping "brutality". So, when does America go to war with Indonesia? Egypt? India? Uzbekistan? The Congo? Belarus? Turkey? Afghanistan (again) Israel? Where do you want to start?

[Yukon]

Im sorry but I disagree with you. Saddam may have been sadistic but so are dozens of other world leaders and I dont see Junior liberating those people. Junior wanted the oil so he concocted the WMD story in a pathetic attempt to justify his illegal invasion of a sovereign country. We will never get out of Iraq and thousands of our men will be killed. War is Junior's Viagra !

[The High Command]

It's a scientifically proven fact that the only thing worse than a frenchman is a french Canadian.

[Ron Conley]

Saddam did have biological agents that he used on the Kurds, but the question isn't whether Saddam ever had WMDs, but whether he had them in March of 2003, which he clearly didn't. And also he clearly didn't have a nuclear program either.

[Janis]

Yukon wrote: Im sorry but I disagree with you. Saddam may have been sadistic but so are dozens of other world leaders and I dont see Junior liberating those people. Junior wanted the oil so he concocted the WMD story in a pathetic attempt to justify his illegal invasion of a sovereign country. We will never get out of Iraq and thousands of our men will be killed. War is Junior's Viagra !

Bush wanted the oil? Right, France is more like it.
Sovereign nation? Right, you keep telling yourself that.
Your right, we will be there for a long time. As an invited guest. Like we are still in Germany.

I am sorry I thought all Canadians lived in igloos. I guess all the stuff about Canada was correct. "Most" Canadians want to be isolated from the rest of the world. Go back to your igloo!

[The High Command]

Saddam was given those weapons by the United States. What sense does it make that a nation arm a dictator and then turns around and justifies a war on the very acts we helped him commit? The whole scenario is so ridiculous. For those of you trying to justify this war try doing it w/out bringing up atrocities we helped him commit at the very least.

Lmao janis who invited us?

[Janis]

The High Command wrote: Saddam was given those weapons by the United States. What sense does it make that a nation arm a dictator and then turns around and justifies a war on the very acts we helped him commit? The whole scenario is so ridiculous. For those of you trying to justify this war try doing it w/out bringing up atrocities we helped him commit at the very least.

Lmao janis who invited us?

I don't disagree that we made horrible decisions in the past. I'm the first person to acknowledge this. But, the world operated on a crazy assumption that we should align ourselves with the "lesser of two evils". This was incredibly stupid, but it is how the entire world operated. It is not how we are going to act in the future. You may disagree. But, at least we agreed on something.
And I said we will be invited guests, in a free Iraq. Please!

[Janis]

[/quote]Our immigration policy, despite constant attacks that it is too lenient is one of the strictest in the world.

What outrage? Thats a non-sequitor.[/quote]

Without a doubt I am very much in favour of stopping "brutality". So, when does America go to war with Indonesia? Egypt? India? Uzbekistan? The Congo? Belarus? Turkey? Afghanistan (again) Israel? Where do you want to start?[/quote]


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Because all of those countries, didn't have 12 years of resolutions and the intent he demonstrated by using WMD's.

I thank you for your answer about immigration.

[Scope]

Quote: I am sorry I thought all Canadians lived in igloos. I guess all the stuff about Canada was correct. "Most" Canadians want to be isolated from the rest of the world. Go back to your igloo!

What kind of selective reading are you doing? Who said most Canadians want to be isolated from the real world?

*sigh*....Americans :roll:

[Janis]

Thoreau wrote: Quote: I am sorry I thought all Canadians lived in igloos. I guess all the stuff about Canada was correct. "Most" Canadians want to be isolated from the rest of the world. Go back to your igloo!

What kind of selective reading are you doing? Who said most Canadians want to be isolated from the real world?

*sigh*....Americans :roll:

Your real world turns a blind eye to the facts. Not taking Iraq serious, would have been a bigger mistake. I'm sorry if people don't see that acting in a case like Iraq was the right thing to do. Not for today or the next day but for the future of all of us. If its not in your backyard, it seems like a mistake. Some people in the US, don't get it, I know! We are not working from the old book on how to defend our country.

Defending a dictator like Saddam, calling him the head of a sovereign nation is looking the other way. We don't send our sons/daughters to war for no reason. The mission is a noble one.

Any country that didn't participate and called it "unjust" want to ignore the growing threats in the world. Are hiding their heads in the sand. It's like wanting to be isolated in your own world. I'm sorry if you thought I was saying all Canadians beleive in "isolationism".

By the way I can't say anything bad about Quebec, it's true I don't know everything about Canada, I'm sure it's a nice place to live!

[Scope]

oh...I'm not confused, I understood you perfectly. You believe that the invasion of Iraq was just defacto. That because Saddam was a bad man that gave America express permision BY GOD, presumably, to invade the country, kill 10,000 of its inhabitants, you know, civilians, on the false assumption that Iraq had weapons it didn't have and that no one could find. So it was alright then because THE FUTURE is an uncertain place and America better pacify the entire world on the off chance that a country may try and get an equal footing internationally with the United States, which is never viewed in that way because America is a big loving teddy bear that would never use its WMDs against anybody...ever.

I think my eyes are wide open...its you I'm more concerned about.

[Janis]

Thoreau wrote:

I think my eyes are wide open...its you I'm more concerned about.

Don't concern yourself. I edited my last comment, something like this.

I don't know everything about Canada. That's why I decided to ask questions, your take on opinions.
I can't say anything bad about Quebec, or anywhere else up there. I'm sure it's a very nice place to live. We may disagree, but I'd love to visit! I prefer the cold climates, we keep better.

Maybe I'll learn to build an igloo. I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself! I apologize!

[Yukon]

Reagan armed Bin Laden and he armed Saddam. We made the MONSTERS and now we must deal with them (if it's possible). Junior has no idea how to negotiate with these people to bring this hatred to an end. All Junior wants to do is wage war.

When Mr Kerry is elected in November the world will breath a united sigh of relief for the American people will have elected a real President, a man of honor and integrity !