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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: Who exactly are Eloah and Moloch? |
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This question has been bugging me for some time.
I'll appreciate it very much if I can get a good answer to this question.
P.S. I'm not sure about Moloch being the name of a God, but I think I'm confusing it with another name that has a similar sound or something like that... |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Moloch is the detestable god of the Ammonites (1 Kings 11:7).. Apparently worship of Moloch involved (at least in part) the burning of live infants and children.
The thing I think is most interesting about Moloch though (and Hebrew speakers, correct me if I'm wrong), is that his name is spelled the same way as the Hebrew word for "king" (melech), namely mem-lamed-kaf (M-L-CH).. the only difference being in the vowel pointings.. I could be wrong about that, but .. if true, it's pretty interesting! |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Interesting.
The Arabic word for king is Malik. Very similar... Of course, this is just a side-thought... Thanks for your post.
However, one question remains to be answered: Who is Eloah?
I need someone like Mailech and Israel to confirm what psholtz just said. |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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psholtz wrote: Moloch is the detestable god of the Ammonites (1 Kings 11:7).. Apparently worship of Moloch involved (at least in part) the burning of live infants and children.
The thing I think is most interesting about Moloch though (and Hebrew speakers, correct me if I'm wrong), is that his name is spelled the same way as the Hebrew word for "king" (melech), namely mem-lamed-kaf (M-L-CH).. the only difference being in the vowel pointings.. I could be wrong about that, but .. if true, it's pretty interesting!
Moloch is pictured on your sacred dallor bill. :wink:
The owl is symbolic of Moloch or Molech. Shines some light on what's really going on with the Bohemian Grove hoop-la. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: Interesting.
The Arabic word for king is Malik. Very similar... Of course, this is just a side-thought... Thanks for your post.
However, one question remains to be answered: Who is Eloah?
I need someone like Mailech and Israel to confirm what psholtz just said.
Malik means literally a messenger. This means an angel, generally.
Moloch has a different etymology. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| Eloah is a name of G-d. As in Elohim. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: |
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You gotta remember names like Baal or Molech are literally just words that mean things like master, great one etc more than just being names.
These words came to be synonomous with names. |
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Mailech
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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Quick lesson in Hebrew, there are several words that sound similiar.
Melech - King
Malach - Angel, Messenger
Melach - Salt
Malach (with a Chet) - sailor
Moloch was a god that was worshipped by passing ones child or oneself through a fire. I don't think it was actually burnt alive, but there may have been some scaring.
Elokah means G-d. |
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John
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Moloch was a god that was worshipped by passing ones child or oneself through a fire. I don't think it was actually burnt alive, but there may have been some scaring.
Wrong. It was about offering your first born child as a offering. This was done for properity. Basically, you gave up your first born with the belief that you'd be rewarded with much more.
The infant was cooked alive on the incandescent arms of the idol. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mailech wrote: Quick lesson in Hebrew, there are several words that sound similiar.
Melech - King
Malach - Angel, Messenger
Melach - Salt
Malach (with a Chet) - sailor
Moloch was a god that was worshipped by passing ones child or oneself through a fire. I don't think it was actually burnt alive, but there may have been some scaring.
Elokah means G-d.
Thank you, Mailech. I didn't know about the last two. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you very much, Mailech, for your enlightenment. :-D
Actually, queasy, Malik does mean king.
It is MaLAK that means angel or messenger. :-D
Another similarity is that Allah and Eloah sound quite similar. I'm sure you guys have noticed. :wink:
And thank you ALL for your posts. :-D |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Quote: Actually, queasy, Malik does mean king.
It is MaLAK that means angel or messenger.
That's actually a really nice insight. In the Tanahk the pre-existent Messiah is pictured several times as the "Angel of the Lord".
In the case of Moshiach, both a messenger and a king. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Y'shua is also pictured as the "salt of the earth" and as a fisherman, a type of sailor.
Wow. |
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Saracen
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Quote: That's actually a really nice insight. In the Tanahk the pre-existent Messiah is pictured several times as the "Angel of the Lord".
In the case of Moshiach, both a messenger and a king.
Well we differ on a lot of things and several terms used in religious text. Remember "Holy Spirit"?
In Islam, that's Gabriel. :wink:
Quote: Y'shua is also pictured as the "salt of the earth" and as a fisherman, a type of sailor.
That IS interesting. Consider these few verses from the Koran:
"Behold! Moses said to his attendant: "I will not give up until I reached the junction of the two seas or (until) I spend years and years in travel"
-The Koran (18:60)
The attendant was none other than Y'shua, or Yushaa' Ibn Nun, as we call him.
This is good stuff! I'm gonna open a thread soon about Judaic figures in Islam. This oughta be interesting! :tu: |
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cap'n queasy
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Quote: In Islam, that's Gabriel.
But Gabriel is not a spirit in scripture. He is an angelic being (they have bodies, celestial bodies but bodies nonetheless) who delivered only messages concerning the Messiah. The Holy Spirit is pictured as the Divine Presence of God, the Shekinah Glory, on the Earth in the OT and as The Comforter that Y'shua would send after His ascension to dwell in the hearts of Men. Remember that the Law is to be written in men's hearts, this is how this is so. By the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. An angel cannot do this, although they can do many things that we cannot imagine, only God can do this.
Quote: That IS interesting. Consider these few verses from the Koran:
"Behold! Moses said to his attendant: "I will not give up until I reached the junction of the two seas or (until) I spend years and years in travel"
-The Koran (18:60)
The attendant was none other than Y'shua, or Yushaa' Ibn Nun, as we call him.
This is good stuff! I'm gonna open a thread soon about Judaic figures in Islam. This oughta be interesting!
Yes, that is very interesting. I think that is an excellent topic fopr discussion. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Wait a sec. Is Y'shua Jesus? |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| The same. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Rats. I was talking about the wrong person.
I meant Joshua.
But the Christian Arabic name for Jesus is Yasoo' (with a ain as an ending character)
The Muslim Arabic name for Jesus is Issa. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
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The book of Joshua is a model of Christ's return after being cut -off as pictured in Revelation.
So, no rats after all, eh? |
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Zeeman
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Mailech wrote: Quick lesson in Hebrew, there are several words that sound similiar.
Melech - King
Malach - Angel, Messenger
Melach - Salt
Malach (with a Chet) - sailor
Moloch was a god that was worshipped by passing ones child or oneself through a fire. I don't think it was actually burnt alive, but there may have been some scaring.
Elokah means G-d.
This is very interesting and its close to Arabic..
Malik-King
Malak-Angel
Malh-Salt
Malah-Sailor or Navigator to be exact. |
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