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[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: Not quite as well as your little National Vanguard inspired history lesson reflects on you.
More personal attacks and character assassination.

If you have something interesting and factual to say, say it. If you facts that refute what I have to say, present them.

But as it stands, you're just digging your own ditch deeper and deeper.

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: You do know that Joseph Stalin (along w/ most of the other Soviet premiers) was Jewish, right?

Take your pill, psholtz, take your pill.
Yep, that's right..

These comments (and those of cap'n) are precisely what I expected. Personal villification, (attempted) character assassination and name calling. Anything you can do to discredit the person speaking and cover up (or just ignore) the facts.

psholtz, believe me, there is very little that I can do to discredit you. You do quite a superb job of that yourself with your insane theories that you pass off as facts.

You know, even after chatting with you for quite a while, I still don't know if you are for real or not. I mean, I know you are a smart guy, no doubt about it. But how you can be so wacked is beyond me. Which leads me to suspect that you are doing this little persona of yours with all the insane theories for personal entertainment, and in real life you are an absolutely normal, rational person. :)

[John]

psholtz wrote: These comments (and those of cap'n) are precisely what I expected. Personal villification, (attempted) character assassination and name calling. Anything you can do to discredit the person speaking and cover up (or just ignore) the facts.


Is that why you attack me so much? I guess that explains a lot.

[cap'n queasy]

psholtz wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not quite as well as your little National Vanguard inspired history lesson reflects on you.
More personal attacks and character assassination.

If you have something interesting and factual to say, say it. If you facts that refute what I have to say, present them.

But as it stands, you're just digging your own ditch deeper and deeper.

Well, Herr Doktor, you can always report me to the mods if you like. In fact, I invite you to do so now. .
:lol:

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not quite as well as your little National Vanguard inspired history lesson reflects on you.
More personal attacks and character assassination.

If you have something interesting and factual to say, say it. If you facts that refute what I have to say, present them.

But as it stands, you're just digging your own ditch deeper and deeper.

Well, didn't we go over that, psholtz? Your little theory about why Jews always have it coming to them?

Well, why do you think that many people on this forum engage in personal attacks on you? Surely, the problem lies with you.

http://politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1311893&highlight=psholtz#1311893

[psholtz]

John wrote: psholtz wrote: These comments (and those of cap'n) are precisely what I expected. Personal villification, (attempted) character assassination and name calling. Anything you can do to discredit the person speaking and cover up (or just ignore) the facts.


Is that why you attack me so much? I guess that explains a lot.
I don't attack you (personally).

I simply (try to) correct a few of outrageous ideas that you try to pass off as the truth, like that the Law of Entropy is causing the Moon to recede in its orbit around the Earth (<- did I get it right that time). If you (mistakenly) identify these wild theories w/ your own Soul and Self, I guess that says something about you, but it's not you that I'm attacking .. I'm just speaking out against some of these wild absuridities.

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not quite as well as your little National Vanguard inspired history lesson reflects on you.
More personal attacks and character assassination.

If you have something interesting and factual to say, say it. If you facts that refute what I have to say, present them.

But as it stands, you're just digging your own ditch deeper and deeper.

Well, didn't we go over that, psholtz? Your little theory about why Jews always have it coming to them?

Well, why do you think that many people on this forum engage in personal attacks on you? Surely, the problem lies with you.

http://politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1311893&highlight=psholtz#1311893
There actually aren't that many people who engage in personal attacks on me.. very few, in fact. And for the ones who do, yes the reason they do so lies (partly) w/in me and I welcome the adversity that such confrontation brings w/ it.

I'll draw my sword if you draw yours.

[John]

psholtz wrote: John wrote: psholtz wrote: These comments (and those of cap'n) are precisely what I expected. Personal villification, (attempted) character assassination and name calling. Anything you can do to discredit the person speaking and cover up (or just ignore) the facts.


Is that why you attack me so much? I guess that explains a lot.
I don't attack you (personally).

I simply (try to) correct a few of outrageous ideas that you try to pass off as the truth, like that the Law of Entropy is causing the Moon to recede in its orbit around the Earth (<- did I get it right that time). If you (mistakenly) identify these wild theories w/ your own Soul and Self, I guess that says something about you, but it's not you that I'm attacking .. I'm just speaking out against some of these wild absuridities.

You really think you're on to something with that whole "moon" bit....you keep bringing it up.

Earth to psholtz....I really don't care too much about the moon and why it's receding. :lol:

And yes...you do attack me personally on a regular basis. No big deal….it’s to be expected.

[psholtz]

John wrote: Earth to psholtz....I really don't care too much about the moon and why it's receding.
They why do you even bring it up in the first place?

The entropy thing was your idea, not mine.

Enough of this, back to thread topic.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: psholtz wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not quite as well as your little National Vanguard inspired history lesson reflects on you.
More personal attacks and character assassination.

If you have something interesting and factual to say, say it. If you facts that refute what I have to say, present them.

But as it stands, you're just digging your own ditch deeper and deeper.

Well, Herr Doktor, you can always report me to the mods if you like. In fact, I invite you to do so now. .
None of the attacks have been of a nature that require reporting, and that's not my point. Running to Mommy and Daddy each time something doesn't go the way I want it to is not my style.. My point is simply, you might try refuting some of the things I say w/ your own facts and figures and arguments, instead of "Herr Doktor Mengele, I think it's time for you to take your pills"..

I said the Stalin was Jewish. You probably disagree w/ me on that. If I'm wrong, go ahead and prove it. I very well may be wrong for all I know. I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again. If I'm wrong, and you can prove to me that I am, I'll gladly admit that I was wrong and I'll do my best to refrain from making the same mistake in the future.

My point is simply that you might try taking that route, rather than the villifiation route. See where it leads you .. :tu: :-D

[cap'n queasy]

Whether Joseph Stalin is Jewish or not makes not a whit of difference about anything.

Perhaps it is important if the perspective you are coming from is a belief in a massive Jewish conspiracy that covers the entire planet. Perhaps then it makes a big difference to you.

But as that is not my belief, I disregard statements like the "history lesson" you recited. I've heard all that crap a million times. And not just from you (that's only been about 5000 times or so).

See what I mean? I make fun of it, because that is what it deserves. It's retarded.

BTW I'll turn myself in for you. :lol:

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: Whether Joseph Stalin is Jewish or not makes not a whit of difference about anything.
It does make a difference when you have someone posting comments like this:

Mailech wrote: The fact that Judaism and Jews have been peaceful and accepting and very socailly minded, is a testament to the structure of its system, despite what you might want to read into it.
Many Jews are very peaceful and accepting and socially minded. I agree completely. One of them also happens to be the most violent mass murderer in recorded human history. I'm just saying that that fact should not be overlooked, and that these broad generalizations like "The Christians spill lots of blood and the Jews are peaceful and accepting and socially minded" can be quite misleading.

[Duchifas]

psholtz wrote: I said the Stalin was Jewish. You probably disagree w/ me on that. If I'm wrong, go ahead and prove it.

I don't need to prove it. It's common knowledge. I've lived in Russia, read and heard a lot about Stalin, never once heard a mention that he was Jewish. And I've read a lot of stuff on Russian history after I came to the US. Again, nothing of the sort.

My feeling is that if you ask MOST people who are familiar with the subject, they would laugh in your face with a reactio similar to mine.

In 1953 Stalin was preparing to deport Jews to Siberia en masse. Yeah, he was Jewish, sure. Aha.

And then your ridiculous comment that most Soviet premiers were Jewish. Khruschev, Jewish yes? :lol: Brezhnev, Jewish, yes? :lol: Chernenko, Jewish too? :lol: G Andropov? Gorby? :rotf:

This is not a comedy forum, psholtz.

Your favorite debating technique is to shift burdens of proof. You come out and say something preposterous, something you know goes against common knowledge and experience, and then you expect people to prove that it isn't true. That ain't how it works. You say something crazy, then you are the one who should prove it. You make an affirmative statement, then you should prove its truth, not demand that others prove its falsity. That's how it works in discussions between intellectually honest people. In the criminal justice system the idea is embodied in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty." Not vice versa, as you would have it with your accusations of the Jewish people in other threads.

But then again, the concept of intellectual honesty seems to be very foreign to you, so we can just leave it at that. I have every expectation that you won't change your approach.

[psholtz]

Duchifas wrote: psholtz wrote: I said the Stalin was Jewish. You probably disagree w/ me on that. If I'm wrong, go ahead and prove it.

I don't need to prove it. It's common knowledge. I've lived in Russia, read and heard a lot about Stalin, never once heard a mention that he was Jewish.
Yes, that's right. The Soviets were *sooo* famous for how open and honest and forthcoming they were about how they operated. If I didn't read about it in Pravda, it must not be true!



Quote: And I've read a lot of stuff on Russian history after I came to the US. Again, nothing of the sort.
Read harder.

Quote: In 1953 Stalin was preparing to deport Jews to Siberia en masse. Yeah, he was Jewish, sure. Aha.
You read about this in Pravda too?

Quote: Your favorite debating technique is to shift burdens of proof. You come out and say something preposterous, something you know goes against common knowledge and experience, and then you expect people to prove that it isn't true. That ain't how it works. You say something crazy, then you are the one who should prove it. You make an affirmative statement, then you should prove its truth, not demand that others prove its falsity. That's how it works in discussions between intellectually honest people. In the criminal justice system the idea is embodied in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty." Not vice versa, as you would have it with your accusations of the Jewish people in other threads.
Is Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn not intellectual enough for you?

[cap'n queasy]

Simmer down, Herr Doktor.

:lol:

I know you want to blame both the Holocaust and the Stalinist era on Jews, but there's no need to get upset.

[cap'n queasy]

You know, the Judaism forum is not a good choice for that type of diatribe.

It's kind of disrespectful.

[psholtz]

cap'n queasy wrote: You know, the Judaism forum is not a good choice for that type of diatribe.

It's kind of disrespectful.
I'd be happy to keep this thread focused on the Talmud .. I just felt obligated to address a little of the attempted misdirection that happened a couple pages back, whereby it was hinted that "Christians spill blood, and Jews are completely innocent".. This is, I think, a historically dishonest statement to make.

That's all.

[Mailech]

Hey sholtz, did you get this info right out of the Protocals, or are you embeleshing. This Jewish conspiracy of the Rabbis to take over the world while being slaughtered, a very very clever plot. Certainly, you cannot say that Hitler and Stalin where religious Jews, oh right, they wheren't even Jewish.

As for the Talmud quote, about Gentiles, well psholtz would never understand since anything bad that has happened to the Jews in the last 3000 years was actually orchestrated by those evil devils also called Rabbis, but if you lived in a time and a place where a gentile could kill you as soon as look at you with no worries of consequences, then you would also say that even the best gentiles deserve to be killed.

[psholtz]

Mailech wrote: Hey sholtz, did you get this info right out of the Protocals, or are you embeleshing. This Jewish conspiracy of the Rabbis to take over the world while being slaughtered, a very very clever plot. Certainly, you cannot say that Hitler and Stalin where religious Jews, oh right, they wheren't even Jewish.
Nope, didn't get it from the Protocols, and you're correct, Hitler and Stalin were not especially religious (observant) individuals .. no matter what their religious persuasion may have been.

Quote: As for the Talmud quote, about Gentiles, well psholtz would never understand since anything bad that has happened to the Jews in the last 3000 years was actually orchestrated by those evil devils also called Rabbis, but if you lived in a time and a place where a gentile could kill you as soon as look at you with no worries of consequences, then you would also say that even the best gentiles deserve to be killed.
Has such a time or place ever existed?

[cap'n queasy]

Quote: Has such a time or place ever existed?

:lol:

Not in Sholtzworld.