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ibC · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

What the average person like myself finds when studying the UFO phenomenon is a lot of rumors, a lot of speculation, and even more garbage. Nevertheless, one thing is for sure, something IS going on. Possibilities are endless, and many are likely, but it's a strong fact that there is an unidentified intelligent presence in our skies and in our space. The massive amount of witness testimony alone should be enough to no longer ignore this issue. Irrational skeptical arguments can no longer be tolerated, for people are generally not stupid, and I am not stupid, we are seeing these things... they are real.

The question is no longer 'Are they here?', but is 'Why are they here? 'Where are they from?' And 'What can their existence teach us about our own?' Some have argued that these crafts are all advanced military technology, and this is a possibility, but in no way can that account for the entire phenomena. UFO's have been documented in various ways since long before the Ford model T was even in production, so it's pretty clear human origin for this presence falls short of a complete explanation.

When are we going to start acting like adults and discuss this openly and intelligently?

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

ibC wrote: What the average person like myself finds when studying the UFO phenomenon is a lot of rumors, a lot of speculation, and even more garbage. Nevertheless, one thing is for sure, something IS going on. Possibilities are endless, and many are likely, but it's a strong fact that there is an unidentified intelligent presence in our skies and in our space. The massive amount of witness testimony alone should be enough to no longer ignore this issue. Irrational skeptical arguments can no longer be tolerated, for people are generally not stupid, and I am not stupid, we are seeing these things... they are real.

The question is no longer 'Are they here?', but is 'Why are they here? 'Where are they from?' And 'What can their existence teach us about our own?' Some have argued that these crafts are all advanced military technology, and this is a possibility, but in no way can that account for the entire phenomena. UFO's have been documented in various ways since long before the Ford model T was even in production, so it's pretty clear human origin for this presence falls short of a complete explanation.

When are we going to start acting like adults and discuss this openly and intelligently?

If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

ibC · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

Quote: If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

That's a popular response, and is completely the wrong attitude to have. Fact is.. they ARE bothering with us.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

ibC wrote: Quote: If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

That's a popular response, and is completely the wrong attitude to have. Fact is.. they ARE bothering with us.

Not bothering me. I've never met one.

I like Xfiles, too, but it's just a show.

Silkheat · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 5981 Location: Austin

ibC wrote: Quote: If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

That's a popular response, and is completely the wrong attitude to have. Fact is.. they ARE bothering with us.

Yes your right. I am the one who abducted you and did the anal probe. By the way, you are pregnant with my child. We shall name him herbert.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

Silkheat wrote: ibC wrote: Quote: If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

That's a popular response, and is completely the wrong attitude to have. Fact is.. they ARE bothering with us.

Yes your right. I am the one who abducted you and did the anal probe. By the way, you are pregnant with my child. We shall name him herbert.

Kang is the popular choice for alien babys. The mother ship will beam you up.

eXploiTeD · Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Posts: 8058

Ideas of God have also existed for thousands of years - can we thus assume he exists? What about stigmata? Ghosts? Any of that supernatural stuff? Just because it's been documented consistently doesn't mean it has any validity; just that people are crazy enough to believe it over and over again.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

Moved to Philosophy Forum.

Protostar · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:20 am Post subject:

leftneckredwing wrote: ibC wrote: Quote: If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

That's a popular response, and is completely the wrong attitude to have. Fact is.. they ARE bothering with us.

Not bothering me. I've never met one.

I like Xfiles, too, but it's just a show.

But...But, how do you know the people you are talking to are really people? How do you know they are really real at all? How do we know if anything is really real? :shock:

AllAmericanMan · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 3606

No aliens do not travel to Earth. Earth would be the galactal equivalent of Kansas. The universe is so big no one will notice us until they have a reason to. Also there may not be intellegent life in the universe capable of traveling such long distances. Intellegent life probably exists elsewhere but its so easy for life to be whiped out in meteor collisions in the thousands of years it would take to develope such technology. Look at us, we think we are so smart but we dont even know if our own planet is going to be struck by a meteor and whipe 99% of us out.

ibC · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

Well.. i can see my comment about acting like adults and discussing this intelligently really hit home with you people. +5 points for the obvious anal probe joke, real creative.

Quote: Just because it's been documented consistently doesn't mean it has any validity; just that people are crazy enough to believe it over and over again.

Thank you for actually making an intelligent point. But what i want to stress is that this subject has nothing to do with "belief" or "faith". For UFO's are not subject to anyone's beliefs, they are simply real. Once you see something with your own two eyes, it can no longer be believed in based on faith, it's based on fact. And I have indeed seen them... as have millions of others around the globe.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

Protostar wrote: leftneckredwing wrote: ibC wrote: Quote: If there are aliens, they wouldn't bother with us. Anyone smart enough to get here would leave faster than they came.

That's a popular response, and is completely the wrong attitude to have. Fact is.. they ARE bothering with us.

Not bothering me. I've never met one.

I like Xfiles, too, but it's just a show.

But...But, how do you know the people you are talking to are really people? How do you know they are really real at all? How do we know if anything is really real? :shock:

Ice pick to the neck. If they bleed red blood then they're human, if it's bubbling green, then they're aliens. Haven't found one yet.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

ibC wrote: Well.. i can see my comment about acting like adults and discussing this intelligently really hit home with you people. +5 points for the obvious anal probe joke, real creative.

Quote: Just because it's been documented consistently doesn't mean it has any validity; just that people are crazy enough to believe it over and over again.

Thank you for actually making an intelligent point. But what i want to stress is that this subject has nothing to do with "belief" or "faith". For UFO's are not subject to anyone's beliefs, they are simply real. Once you see something with your own two eyes, it can no longer be believed in based on faith, it's based on fact. And I have indeed seen them... as have millions of others around the globe.

First word in UFO is unidentified.

ibC · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 5

yes sir... unidentified indeed. And thats my point.. how much longer are we going to sit here with our thumbs up our asses and let these things remain unidentified? When are we going to start taking this seriously and really try to examine this mystery?

The term UFO covers a large area but what i'm talking about is a specific kind of UFO... intelligently controlled ones. These objects are intelligently controlled, and display a level of technology that is almost magical. I have personally seen one make a 90degree turn at what must have been thousands of miles per hour. How can science explain that? Had there been a human occupant inside, he/she would have been instantly killed by such a manuver.

The proverbial "out of this world" takes on a literal meaning with this stuff.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

ibC wrote: yes sir... unidentified indeed. And thats my point.. how much longer are we going to sit here with our thumbs up our asses and let these things remain unidentified? When are we going to start taking this seriously and really try to examine this mystery?

The term UFO covers a large area but what i'm talking about is a specific kind of UFO... intelligently controlled ones. These objects are intelligently controlled, and display a level of technology that is almost magical. I have personally seen one make a 90degree turn at what must have been thousands of miles per hour. How can science explain that? Had there been a human occupant inside, he/she would have been instantly killed by such a manuver.

The proverbial "out of this world" takes on a literal meaning with this stuff.

In the same way that I have no proof that aliens don't exist, you have no proof that they do.

It would be incredibly arrogant to think we are the only life in the universe, but what do we offer that they could possibly want if they can get here? Bombs and aids?

Aim-64C · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

I've seen all kinds of strange stuff in the sky. From an object that floated back and forth in a pendulum manner, to a "wing" cut through the clouds on a foggy day - in complete silence and with aerodynamics that put Embry Riddle engineers to shame (unless they are the ones who designed that craft).

Now - why would a species capable of traveling across the universe in blinks of an eye (maybe - they could just have one HELL of a lifespan) ignore a developing species? It is a chance for them to learn not only about us - but possibly about themselves - about how they might have been eons ago.

There's also the possibility of a parasitic species - one that infiltrates other inteligent life forms, taking control of their social structure, pitting them against each other, and then reaping their resources and technology. In which case - a species such as our own - which often engages in mortal combat with itself, is a prime and almost effortless target.

I beleive that any alien species/race that had ANY inteligence would know, first off, that we respond to the unknown with hostility - as we also do to things we don't understand or feel intimidated by. We are not ready to be contacted openly - it's more than likely we'd end up freaking out and waging war - whether or not the aliens were hostile.

I've thought about writing a book based from an alien's point of view - one sent here to analyze our planet and species - just because it'd be something somewhat interesting.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

We have all seen things in the sky that we cannot specify the origin of. It could be Area 51 or it could be Alpha Centauri. But until you see that Alpha Centauri logo on the side, you have no proof, only conjecture.

Speculate all you want, but until we see a little green man, there is no proof.

Aim-64C · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:03 pm Post subject:

Can't say I've seen any green men - but I have seen people that look like they are tourists to tourism on this planet. :lol:

All I have to say to that is: Cocopelli (however you spell that little dude's name). Cave drawings of this little dude exist ALL over the globe - from a time when we didn't really have access to planes, boats, and radios - cultures were pretty much isolated.

Something to think about.

As well as: Within a very short time frame - civilization began developing rapidly - Sumer sprang out of the middle of the desert "overnight" and employed technology such as water-lifts, advanced structural design (cushioning the layers of bricks to absorb structural shock, hardened outer bricks to repell water, geometric properties), etc. There were no other structures for them to practice this technique on - and here they have the then-equivelent of a skyscraper with a water fall and terrarium.

There's also something interesting with the Egyptian pyramids and the surface of mars..... I'll pull up a link

http://mars-earth.com/cydonia_eygpt/

As with many things - you have to take it with a grain of salt - but it is something to think about.

Aim-64C · Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject:

Just found this and read deeper into it - it is pretty interesting as well. Not sure how much credibility to lend it - but it's interesting, none the less.

http://paranormal.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=paranormal&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.world-mysteries.com%2Fmpl_3.htm

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 32350 Location: North America

That's a cool link.

I would truly hope there are intelligent life forms out there. We could use some of them here on earth.

I keep an open mind, a skeptical mind, but open to the possibility.