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[cap'n queasy]

According to R. Meir a gentile who studies the Torah to find out about the Brit Noah is as great as the Kohen Gadol.

So this is what I intend to do.

Here is my question, much of the Brit Noah is taken from Genesis 9:4-6 and my question concerns 9:5.

Quote: 5 "Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the life of man.

In Hebrew isn't this word nephesh? Doesn't this word mean soul?

I know the word lifeblood is translated from is dam which is literally blood, which God say "I will require". I was wondering if it were something different that God required from every man and every man's brother than
than just blood.

If this is so then it would read "And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the soul of man", wouldn't it?

After all death is the price of sin anyway, isn't this requirement met whenever someone dies? Couldn't HaShem really want something more from us than just blood? Can it be that HaShem wants forgiveness?

I welcome your answers.

[Mailech]

cap'n queasy wrote: According to R. Meir a gentile who studies the Torah to find out about the Brit Noah is as great as the Kohen Gadol.

So this is what I intend to do.

Here is my question, much of the Brit Noah is taken from Genesis 9:4-6 and my question concerns 9:5.

Quote: 5 "Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the life of man.

In Hebrew isn't this word nephesh? Doesn't this word mean soul?

I know the word lifeblood is translated from is dam which is literally blood, which God say "I will require". I was wondering if it were something different that God required from every man and every man's brother than
than just blood.

If this is so then it would read "And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the soul of man", wouldn't it?

After all death is the price of sin anyway, isn't this requirement met whenever someone dies? Couldn't HaShem really want something more from us than just blood? Can it be that HaShem wants forgiveness?

I welcome your answers.

Literally Nefesh means soul. In the context it is talking about a persons life, which is defined by your soul connected to the body.

As to that Hashem wants forgiveness, forgiveness from whom? Hashem gives forgiveness if a persons death is part of a repentance process.

I am not sure I understand your question.

[cap'n queasy]

Hashem wants you to forgive. Not be forgiven from you. :lol:

If you do not forgive your soul is not something He wants.

[cap'n queasy]

I take the passage to mean that all beasts, meaning all living creatures must die because sin entered the world. The Scriptures tell us that the wages of sin are death. This is a given. I am just wonder how exactly the Noachide Law is arrived at. Genesis 9:4-6 tells us that it is wrong to eat flesh with it's blood in it. And it seems to tell us what action to take is a killing happens, although it does not seem totally clear what that action is to be, to me.

The rest are said to be inferred from Genesis 2:16:
Quote: Genesis 2:16-17 -16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
Taken alone this seems to be an endorsement of certain ideas. (emet etz)
I don't see how the the other Noachide Laws are inferred by this out of context statement.

Perhaps to understand what God wanted from the human race it is necessary to examine this passage in it's correct context. For this we need to add 2:17.
Quote: Genesis 2:16-17 -16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

Since we know from Scripture that sin is the reason for death and that everyone sins and that is why everyone dies we can infer that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil involves some type of sin. Disobedience surely, but it must be something much more to merit such a harsh penalty. Surely HaShem does want you to die over the price of a piece of fruit. It must be something else.

We find a clue about what this could possibly be here:
Quote: Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, `You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, `You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.' " 4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die! 5 "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.


Not only was Nachash not satisfied that some angelic beings were cast down to Earth, he wanted Adam and Eve to be cast out of their protective habitat, Eden, into the earth as well. His plan was sound. If he could trick Adam and Eve into making a portal by which HaShem was down brought to Earth via having them bring holy knowledge of Good and Evil into the world he could also cause their death for this terrible sin.

In essence he tricked them into committing the very same sin that Nimrod committed, attempting to bring HaShem into the material world. In other words creating a portal by which HaShem, a holy spirit, will be brought into the material world. Literally a Bab-El or portal for God.

This deception made the coming of Moshiach necessary. Literally Moshiach had to come to save man. This is a great sacrifice on the part of HaShem, one which we do not merit. It seems to me that many people mistake this Moshiach for s*hittuf,(sorry the forum edited this word) a lesser intermediary to God, which is in essence idolatry or thinking that someone or something can get between you and God for your benefit. You must face God. And if Moshiach is s*hittuf, he is not effective in this capacity. He MUST be God to be able to propitiate your sins. And propitiation is clearly why He came. Sin must be removed or no one goes to the Father.

Why seek to prepare the Earth for HaShem if you do not intend for HaShem to come to the Earth? No, Moshiach is not s*hittuf, but is the Son from Psalm 2, He is the Angel of the Lord that Moshe fell down and worshiped at the burning bush, He is Adonai Y'shua HaMashiach.

When Moshe was taken up on Mount Sinai Israel miscalculated his return by one day and took measures to cover themselves with the works of their hands instead of trusting that Moshe would return. In essence they decided they couldn't trust HaShem and took measures to cover themselves.

This is referred to as Chet Ha-Egel, the sin of the Golden Calf. And it is quite common in this world.