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Creamxec · Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 12:17 am Post subject: Re: I choose to be gay

Deemoore wrote: Are you out of your frikkin mind?
Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?
If you are this stupid then you deserve to be led around by the nose.
Being homosexual is not a choice it's a genetic roll of the dice.

I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her.

My son told me tonight that he believes homosexuality is a choice.
I told him that I wish he had been born gay. I'm not gay but for gods sake .. I'm not an idiot.
Who would make this "choice"?

If you continue to persecute the children of god for what god has given them then I pray for your salvation.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_02_07.html

Are left handed people choosing to write with the wrong hand?

If your son simply chose to be gay, than he will most likely face prejudice and if he does and he hates it and feels bad he is lucky to have the power to choose not to be gay. I respect him chosing regardless of the choice he makes in the future. You should too.

Enoch · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 8771

Creamxec wrote: Deemoore wrote: Are you out of your frikkin mind?
Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?
If you are this stupid then you deserve to be led around by the nose.
Being homosexual is not a choice it's a genetic roll of the dice.

I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her.

My son told me tonight that he believes homosexuality is a choice.
I told him that I wish he had been born gay. I'm not gay but for gods sake .. I'm not an idiot.
Who would make this "choice"?

If you continue to persecute the children of god for what god has given them then I pray for your salvation.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_02_07.html

Are left handed people choosing to write with the wrong hand?

If your son simply chose to be gay, than he will most likely face prejudice and if he does and he hates it and feels bad he is lucky to have the power to choose not to be gay. I respect him chosing regardless of the choice he makes in the future. You should too.

What choice is he making?

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

Creamxec wrote: Deemoore wrote: Are you out of your frikkin mind?
Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?
If you are this stupid then you deserve to be led around by the nose.
Being homosexual is not a choice it's a genetic roll of the dice.

I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her.

My son told me tonight that he believes homosexuality is a choice.
I told him that I wish he had been born gay. I'm not gay but for gods sake .. I'm not an idiot.
Who would make this "choice"?

If you continue to persecute the children of god for what god has given them then I pray for your salvation.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_02_07.html

Are left handed people choosing to write with the wrong hand?

If your son simply chose to be gay, than he will most likely face prejudice and if he does and he hates it and feels bad he is lucky to have the power to choose not to be gay. I respect him chosing regardless of the choice he makes in the future. You should too.

I think you need to reread that post.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5081

foadi wrote: Deemoore wrote:
I'm saying ...
It's not a frikken choice

It is for some people. They just like being "different" or they like the attention.
Put your proof on the table.

Æ · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 5081

Deemoore wrote: SideTraKd wrote: It's a choice. But why do you think that people should be automatically "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated" for it? They have the same right to pursuit of happiness that anyone in this country does.

I know a lot of gay people, and I don't see them getting persecuted. I DO think that there are a lot of basic rights that are being withheld from gay people that shouldn't be, but I also think that, as a country, we've made a lot of progress in that area. Still, I would like to see certain things happen. For instance, when a homosexual is hospitalized, their significant other is rarely even given the same visiting rights that any family would get, much less control of the situation.

I don't believe in gay marriage, but then again, I don't believe in the government being involved in ANY marriage, and what gay people do is between them and their God.

welcome to ignore
Keep on rackin' 'em up. Pretty soon you'll be talkin' to yourself.

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

Liberty4All wrote: Deemoore wrote: SideTraKd wrote: It's a choice. But why do you think that people should be automatically "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated" for it? They have the same right to pursuit of happiness that anyone in this country does.

I know a lot of gay people, and I don't see them getting persecuted. I DO think that there are a lot of basic rights that are being withheld from gay people that shouldn't be, but I also think that, as a country, we've made a lot of progress in that area. Still, I would like to see certain things happen. For instance, when a homosexual is hospitalized, their significant other is rarely even given the same visiting rights that any family would get, much less control of the situation.

I don't believe in gay marriage, but then again, I don't believe in the government being involved in ANY marriage, and what gay people do is between them and their God.

welcome to ignore
Keep on rackin' 'em up. Pretty soon you'll be talkin' to yourself.

What's really funny is that he couldn't even say what was so awful about my post that he had to ignore it.... :roll:

ToonArmyIsComing · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 5888 Location: Ontario

SideTraKd wrote: It's a choice.

It's a choice in as much as choosing to be your true self or trying to fit into the society's streotypes of how a person should be. Of course, gay people can choose to live a heterosexual life, but can they ever be happy living a lie?

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

ToonArmyIsComing wrote: SideTraKd wrote: It's a choice.

It's a choice in as much as choosing to be your true self or trying to fit into the society's streotypes of how a person should be. Of course, gay people can choose to live a heterosexual life, but can they ever be happy living a lie?

How is it a lie if it is something they've chosen? If I have an attraction to the woman that I just saw walking down the sidewalk past my window, it does not make me an adulterer, nor does it mean my life with my wife is a lie. Only if I acted on that attraction...

It is a choice, but it's their choice to make, and they should be free to make it without being unduly discriminated against in their jobs, and other public arenas.

DISCLAIMER:

I am NOT married..!

No, no no... no no... no...

No, no...

NO! :shock:

:lol:

F'losrix · Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

SideTraKd wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: SideTraKd wrote: It's a choice.

It's a choice in as much as choosing to be your true self or trying to fit into the society's streotypes of how a person should be. Of course, gay people can choose to live a heterosexual life, but can they ever be happy living a lie?

How is it a lie if it is something they've chosen?
Talk about totally missing the point.

I'll repeat again for people who still don't get it:

Sexual Behavior and Sexual Orientation are NOT the same thing.

What determines whether a person is gay or straight? The behavior or the underlying orientation?

I say it's the latter. If a guy fantasizes about other men every time he's having sex with his wife, he's still a homosexual at the core. There are very few gay people that succeed at putting aside their actual orientation to pursue the opposite behavior (unless heterosexuals know something they aren't confessing to the rest of us, which I seriously doubt).

The behavior may be a choice, but it's not a choice between equals. It is thoroughly unreasonable to demand that a person go against something as deeply ingrained as their sexual orientation to pursue a lifelong devotion to behavior that contradicts it.

Could you choose to live your whole life as a gay person, knowing that your feelings for the opposite sex are 10 times stronger? If not, then why do you think it's okay to make the equivalent demand of someone else? I don't care how supportive you think you are of that 'choice'; portraying the orientation as a choice when it isn't doesn't earn you any points with me.

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

Skeptical Mystic wrote: I don't care how supportive you think you are of that 'choice'; portraying the orientation as a choice when it isn't doesn't earn you any points with me.

I think I've proven over the course of time that I couldn't give two ***** about "earning points" with you.

If you make a choice, stand up for your right to make that choice, instead of playing victim of circumstance.

F'losrix · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:45 am Post subject:

SideTraKd wrote: Skeptical Mystic wrote: I don't care how supportive you think you are of that 'choice'; portraying the orientation as a choice when it isn't doesn't earn you any points with me.

I think I've proven over the course of time that I couldn't give two ***** about "earning points" with you.

If you make a choice, stand up for your right to make that choice, instead of playing victim of circumstance.
The only 'choice' I've made on the matter is to be myself and not take crap like this from people like you.

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

Skeptical Mystic wrote: SideTraKd wrote: Skeptical Mystic wrote: I don't care how supportive you think you are of that 'choice'; portraying the orientation as a choice when it isn't doesn't earn you any points with me.

I think I've proven over the course of time that I couldn't give two ***** about "earning points" with you.

If you make a choice, stand up for your right to make that choice, instead of playing victim of circumstance.
The only 'choice' I've made on the matter is to be myself and not take crap like this from people like you.

I'm not your enemy. If you believe it's genetic, then I suppose that's your right, but it's a choice.

And I'll stand by anyone's right to make that choice, even you.

F'losrix · Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:59 am Post subject:

SideTraKd wrote: Skeptical Mystic wrote: SideTraKd wrote: Skeptical Mystic wrote: I don't care how supportive you think you are of that 'choice'; portraying the orientation as a choice when it isn't doesn't earn you any points with me.

I think I've proven over the course of time that I couldn't give two ***** about "earning points" with you.

If you make a choice, stand up for your right to make that choice, instead of playing victim of circumstance.
The only 'choice' I've made on the matter is to be myself and not take crap like this from people like you.

I'm not your enemy. If you believe it's genetic, then I suppose that's your right, but it's a choice.

And I'll stand by anyone's right to make that choice, even you.
If you believe it's a choice, then I suppose you have a right to your mistaken opinion. Doesn't alter the fact that no one knows the precise cause or change the evidence that points in the direction of it possibly being a combination of genetics/biology/environment.

I feel no obligation to support someone's erroneous beliefs about things that are a part of my own experience about my own life.

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

Am i the only one here that doesn't really care whether homosexuality is a choice or not?

And is sickened by those (especially dems) who run around saying "nobody chose to be homosexual, so it's ok"? As if it would NOT be ok if it were a choice?

I believe that it is your human RIGHT to be what you are AND/OR what you choose to be. And legislation should believe that too.

StrangerWitCandy · Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 4981 Location: Fairfax, VA

Shim Eun-Ha wrote: Am i the only one here that doesn't really care whether homosexuality is a choice or not?

And is sickened by those (especially dems) who run around saying "nobody chose to be homosexual, so it's ok"? As if it would NOT be ok if it were a choice?

I believe that it is your human RIGHT to be what you are AND/OR what you choose to be. And legislation should believe that too.

whether one believes homosexuality is a choice or not is their own opinion at this point. i happen to think in most cases it is NOT, based on my own experiences coupled with information from various studies. that is not to say that if it were a choice, I would have a problem with people making that choice. I just happen to know that I didn't. And I don't think any democrats who say they believe its not a choice are suggesting that if it were, they would care either. Why do you make that assumption anyway? When there are so many people on "the other side" arguing that homosexuality is a sick choice that perverts make, do you not understand the need for those who believe differently to share their opinions? and do you happen to mind the plethora of republicans who, regardless of if its a choice or not, refuse to recognize homosexuals as legitimate human beings worthy of being afforded equal opportunity? i find it interesting you choose to criticize democrats who say they believe homosexuality is not a choice when theres an army of people from the other side of the spectrum actively fighting against any sort of legitimate recognition for homosexuals, choice or not

Kt · Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 3806

StrangerWitCandy wrote: Shim Eun-Ha wrote: Am i the only one here that doesn't really care whether homosexuality is a choice or not?

And is sickened by those (especially dems) who run around saying "nobody chose to be homosexual, so it's ok"? As if it would NOT be ok if it were a choice?

I believe that it is your human RIGHT to be what you are AND/OR what you choose to be. And legislation should believe that too.

whether one believes homosexuality is a choice or not is their own opinion at this point. i happen to think in most cases it is NOT, based on my own experiences coupled with information from various studies. that is not to say that if it were a choice, I would have a problem with people making that choice. I just happen to know that I didn't. And I don't think any democrats who say they believe its not a choice are suggesting that if it were, they would care either. Why do you make that assumption anyway? When there are so many people on "the other side" arguing that homosexuality is a sick choice that perverts make, do you not understand the need for those who believe differently to share their opinions? and do you happen to mind the plethora of republicans who, regardless of if its a choice or not, refuse to recognize homosexuals as legitimate human beings worthy of being afforded equal opportunity? i find it interesting you choose to criticize democrats who say they believe homosexuality is not a choice when theres an army of people from the other side of the spectrum actively fighting against any sort of legitimate recognition for homosexuals, choice or not

You have a good point and I had not looked at it from that perspective. And while I admit that I dislike those who are against homosexuality choice or not even more I still believe my point (and my statement about some dems) to carry some weight.

Nelson · Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject:

Pzatchok wrote: Deemoore

You actually told your son you wished he was gay?

What are you?

"I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her."

No you are aquaintances and you no longer wish to aquaint with her. you were never really friends otherwise you would forgive her her ignorance and try to teach her better. But since you don't want to talk to her I guess you don't want to teach her.

Where I'm from, it isn't an insult to call someone gay. I suppose Republicans looove to forget about Lynn Cheney's lesbian novels and her lesbian daughter, but it makes me smile that they act as though homosexuality is awful then fine in the same sentence.

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

Nelson wrote: Pzatchok wrote: Deemoore

You actually told your son you wished he was gay?

What are you?

"I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her."

No you are aquaintances and you no longer wish to aquaint with her. you were never really friends otherwise you would forgive her her ignorance and try to teach her better. But since you don't want to talk to her I guess you don't want to teach her.

Where I'm from, it isn't an insult to call someone gay. I suppose Republicans looove to forget about Lynn Cheney's lesbian novels and her lesbian daughter, but it makes me smile that they act as though homosexuality is awful then fine in the same sentence.

I have no problems with homosexuality in and of itself. I have no problem with them having the same rights that I have, in any situation, and would oppose any law that denies them the same rights that I have.

When agendas cross the line and claims are made that children are born gay and should be taught about homosexuality at an early age, in school, no less... yeah... I have a BIG problem with that.

Liberals betray their own hypocrisy in attacking the Cheney's because their daughter is gay. :roll:

floridaguy · Joined: 01 Jan 2006 Posts: 37 Location: Florida

SideTraKd wrote: Nelson wrote: Pzatchok wrote: Deemoore

You actually told your son you wished he was gay?

What are you?

"I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her."

No you are aquaintances and you no longer wish to aquaint with her. you were never really friends otherwise you would forgive her her ignorance and try to teach her better. But since you don't want to talk to her I guess you don't want to teach her.

Where I'm from, it isn't an insult to call someone gay. I suppose Republicans looove to forget about Lynn Cheney's lesbian novels and her lesbian daughter, but it makes me smile that they act as though homosexuality is awful then fine in the same sentence.

I have no problems with homosexuality in and of itself. I have no problem with them having the same rights that I have, in any situation, and would oppose any law that denies them the same rights that I have.

When agendas cross the line and claims are made that children are born gay and should be taught about homosexuality at an early age, in school, no less... yeah... I have a BIG problem with that.

Liberals betray their own hypocrisy in attacking the Cheney's because their daughter is gay. :roll: I think they are attacking her mom and dad, not her.

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

floridaguy wrote: SideTraKd wrote: Nelson wrote: Pzatchok wrote: Deemoore

You actually told your son you wished he was gay?

What are you?

"I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her."

No you are aquaintances and you no longer wish to aquaint with her. you were never really friends otherwise you would forgive her her ignorance and try to teach her better. But since you don't want to talk to her I guess you don't want to teach her.

Where I'm from, it isn't an insult to call someone gay. I suppose Republicans looove to forget about Lynn Cheney's lesbian novels and her lesbian daughter, but it makes me smile that they act as though homosexuality is awful then fine in the same sentence.

I have no problems with homosexuality in and of itself. I have no problem with them having the same rights that I have, in any situation, and would oppose any law that denies them the same rights that I have.

When agendas cross the line and claims are made that children are born gay and should be taught about homosexuality at an early age, in school, no less... yeah... I have a BIG problem with that.

Liberals betray their own hypocrisy in attacking the Cheney's because their daughter is gay. :roll: I think they are attacking her mom and dad, not her.

They attack them because their daughter is gay. Because their liberal ideology dictates to them that Republicans are evil, racist, homophobic extremists that can not tolerate any diversity, which means that somehow, either the Cheneys are hypocrits because they love their daughter, or they have abused her in some way because of her homosexuality.

The truth is much the opposite.

Liberals give only lip service to diversity, and can only tolerate those that agree completely with their narrow life-view.