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Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

Are you out of your frikkin mind?
Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?
If you are this stupid then you deserve to be led around by the nose.
Being homosexual is not a choice it's a genetic roll of the dice.

I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her.

My son told me tonight that he believes homosexuality is a choice.
I told him that I wish he had been born gay. I'm not gay but for gods sake .. I'm not an idiot.
Who would make this "choice"?

If you continue to persecute the children of god for what god has given them then I pray for your salvation.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_02_07.html

Are left handed people choosing to write with the wrong hand?

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13483 Location: bangkok thailand

Deemoore wrote: Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?

People who get off on that sort of thing.

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

foadi wrote: Deemoore wrote: Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?

People who get off on that sort of thing.
welcome to ignore

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13483 Location: bangkok thailand

To deny that there aren't people who chose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated is silly.

I'm not disagreeing with you -- most people don't chose to be homosexual. But some do.

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

If you aren't gay, have no gay friends or associates please don't bother to respond.
in other words, if you don't know what you are talking about ... get lost.

Shakespeare wrote: When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries
And look upon myself and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possess'd,
Desiring this man's art and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love remember'd such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings

Are you to gay to respond to this thread?

Intolerance = the administration

Rebuttal?

LDA · Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 506 Location: Raleigh, NC

So, you're saying, if I choose to be gay, I shouldn't be afforded the same rights as other gay people? Doesn't that make you an ass? Does it matter if people choose to be gay or not?

You're basically trying to say that no one would choose a path that caused them to be "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated." That's clearly just not true. While you may or may not choose to be gay, you do choose to let people know about it. Therefore, if you choose to let people know about it, then you have decided that the alleged persecution is worth it.

As for humiliation - I don't really understand. Why would you be ashamed? If you feel that there is nothing wrong with being gay, what is there to be ashamed about?

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

LDA wrote: So, you're saying, if I choose to be gay, I shouldn't be afforded the same rights as other gay people? Doesn't that make you an ass? Does it matter if people choose to be gay or not?

You're basically trying to say that no one would choose a path that caused them to be "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated." That's clearly just not true. While you may or may not choose to be gay, you do choose to let people know about it. Therefore, if you choose to let people know about it, then you have decided that the alleged persecution is worth it.

As for humiliation - I don't really understand. Why would you be ashamed? If you feel that there is nothing wrong with being gay, what is there to be ashamed about?

Why not be given the same rights as any person?
Why would I have to hide what is?

I'm saying ...
It's not a frikken choice

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13483 Location: bangkok thailand

Deemoore wrote:
I'm saying ...
It's not a frikken choice

It is for some people. They just like being "different" or they like the attention.

Protostar · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: Re: I choose to be gay

Deemoore wrote: Are you out of your frikkin mind?
Who would choose to be ostracized, persecuted and humiliated?
If you are this stupid then you deserve to be led around by the nose.
Being homosexual is not a choice it's a genetic roll of the dice.

I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her.

My son told me tonight that he believes homosexuality is a choice.
I told him that I wish he had been born gay. I'm not gay but for gods sake .. I'm not an idiot.
Who would make this "choice"?

If you continue to persecute the children of god for what god has given them then I pray for your salvation.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_02_07.html

Are left handed people choosing to write with the wrong hand?

Why would you wish your son anything except success and happiness?

As for your views on homosexuality, I agree with them. This (along with other points) is what changed my views on homosexuality. Who would willingly choose to be persecuted? It makes no sense, and one of the reasons I feel noone CHOOSES to be a homosexual. They are, they way they are and there was no choice in the matter.

LDA · Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 506 Location: Raleigh, NC

Deemoore wrote: LDA wrote: So, you're saying, if I choose to be gay, I shouldn't be afforded the same rights as other gay people? Doesn't that make you an ass? Does it matter if people choose to be gay or not?

You're basically trying to say that no one would choose a path that caused them to be "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated." That's clearly just not true. While you may or may not choose to be gay, you do choose to let people know about it. Therefore, if you choose to let people know about it, then you have decided that the alleged persecution is worth it.

As for humiliation - I don't really understand. Why would you be ashamed? If you feel that there is nothing wrong with being gay, what is there to be ashamed about?

Why not be given the same rights as any person?

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. You are trying to degrade gay people who would choose to be gay. There are people known as "bisexuals" that could really go either way. If you're referring to marriage, then gay people do have the same rights as every other person: to marry someone of the opposite sex.

As far as your comment about needing to know a gay person to have a valid opinion, I think you're pretty much wrong, and if I may say, intolerant.

Pzatchok · Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 6659

Deemoore

You actually told your son you wished he was gay?

What are you?

"I know a very religious woman who does not belief Jesus would make her son born gay. We are friends but, until sher accepts her son as is I won't speak to her."

No you are aquaintances and you no longer wish to aquaint with her. you were never really friends otherwise you would forgive her her ignorance and try to teach her better. But since you don't want to talk to her I guess you don't want to teach her.

LDA · Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 506 Location: Raleigh, NC

foadi wrote: Deemoore wrote:
I'm saying ...
It's not a frikken choice

It is for some people. They just like being "different" or they like the attention.

Oh, you are a bigot! It's IMPOSSIBLE that anyone has ever chosen to engage in romantic activity with someone of the same sex!

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

Quote: You are trying to degrade gay people who would choose to be gay

it's not a choice

If you can't forgive a human being thier birthright then yes, you deserve to be what you condemn.

foadi · Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 13483 Location: bangkok thailand

LDA wrote: It's IMPOSSIBLE that anyone has ever chosen to engage in romantic activity with someone of the same sex!

What?

LDA · Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 506 Location: Raleigh, NC

Deemoore wrote: If you can't forgive a human being thier birthright then yes, you deserve to be what you condemn.

Have you ever considered that not everyone agrees with your way of thinking? Or are you the type that things everyone must agree with you, otherwise they don't even deserve to talk to you?

LDA · Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 506 Location: Raleigh, NC

foadi wrote: LDA wrote: It's IMPOSSIBLE that anyone has ever chosen to engage in romantic activity with someone of the same sex!

What?

Sarcasm. =p

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

LDA wrote: Deemoore wrote: If you can't forgive a human being thier birthright then yes, you deserve to be what you condemn.

Have you ever considered that not everyone agrees with your way of thinking? Or are you the type that things everyone must agree with you, otherwise they don't even deserve to talk to you?

I'm not hearing you debate my point.

SideTraKd · Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 6860 Location: Indianapolis

It's a choice. But why do you think that people should be automatically "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated" for it? They have the same right to pursuit of happiness that anyone in this country does.

I know a lot of gay people, and I don't see them getting persecuted. I DO think that there are a lot of basic rights that are being withheld from gay people that shouldn't be, but I also think that, as a country, we've made a lot of progress in that area. Still, I would like to see certain things happen. For instance, when a homosexual is hospitalized, their significant other is rarely even given the same visiting rights that any family would get, much less control of the situation.

I don't believe in gay marriage, but then again, I don't believe in the government being involved in ANY marriage, and what gay people do is between them and their God.

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2435

SideTraKd wrote: It's a choice. But why do you think that people should be automatically "ostracized, persecuted and humiliated" for it? They have the same right to pursuit of happiness that anyone in this country does.

I know a lot of gay people, and I don't see them getting persecuted. I DO think that there are a lot of basic rights that are being withheld from gay people that shouldn't be, but I also think that, as a country, we've made a lot of progress in that area. Still, I would like to see certain things happen. For instance, when a homosexual is hospitalized, their significant other is rarely even given the same visiting rights that any family would get, much less control of the situation.

I don't believe in gay marriage, but then again, I don't believe in the government being involved in ANY marriage, and what gay people do is between them and their God.

welcome to ignore

LDA · Joined: 07 Nov 2005 Posts: 506 Location: Raleigh, NC

Deemoore wrote: LDA wrote: Deemoore wrote: If you can't forgive a human being thier birthright then yes, you deserve to be what you condemn.

Have you ever considered that not everyone agrees with your way of thinking? Or are you the type that things everyone must agree with you, otherwise they don't even deserve to talk to you?

I'm not hearing you debate my point.

You don't have a point, dude. Your point is that you insist that no one has ever chosen to be gay. Maybe you're gay, maybe you know a few gay people, and you assume that every other gay person is exactly like them.