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XxMorningStarxX · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 287 Location: XxUndIsCloSedxX

So recently I came by this article (which was actually written in '98) about contemporary art. In modern times, anything can be considered art. A piece of chopped up wood can be considered art if it is presented in a manner that is remotely "aesthetic." 100 years ago, people would say, "that's not art." IF art is what is beautiful, then will something be art to one person and not another? I think there is certainly a distinction between "good art" and "bad art," just as there is between a good book and a bad book. Can art be natural? or does it have to be manmade? (or arguably, Divinely made, in which case the universe itself would be a work of art).

Does beauty qualify as art?

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

Art is subjective. Anything can be art to anyone. I don't think much of today's "artwork" should be classified as such, but many people disagree, and I accept the fact that my artistic values are particularly old fashioned.

Prog · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 2498

XxMorningStarxX wrote:
Does beauty qualify as art?

Not necessarily. Art is an expression, it does not have to express beauty. Must beauty express or imply art? Beauty simply exists; art gives evidence to this existence.

NeedsREALfreedom · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 1761 Location: MN, USA

Prog wrote: XxMorningStarxX wrote:
Does beauty qualify as art?

Not necessarily. Art is an expression, it does not have to express beauty. Must beauty express or imply art? Beauty simply exists; art gives evidence to this existence.

I agree with you, except I believe that all art has some form of beauty to it, and without it there is no expression.

Prog · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 2498

NeedsREALfreedom wrote: Prog wrote: XxMorningStarxX wrote:
Does beauty qualify as art?

Not necessarily. Art is an expression, it does not have to express beauty. Must beauty express or imply art? Beauty simply exists; art gives evidence to this existence.

I agree with you, except I believe that all art has some form of beauty to it, and without it there is no expression.

Is beauty in the art, the expression or both? Are they inseperable?

Art can express and expose an ugly aspect of human nature for a higher moral purpose. In such a case the art itself may be less "beautiful" than the intentions of its expression.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Art can be ugly.

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

Exactly. To you it may be ugly. To anyone else, it may be beautiful. This is the basis for art.

NeedsREALfreedom · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 1761 Location: MN, USA

Prog wrote: NeedsREALfreedom wrote: Prog wrote: XxMorningStarxX wrote:
Does beauty qualify as art?

Not necessarily. Art is an expression, it does not have to express beauty. Must beauty express or imply art? Beauty simply exists; art gives evidence to this existence.

I agree with you, except I believe that all art has some form of beauty to it, and without it there is no expression.

Is beauty in the art, the expression or both? Are they inseperable?

Art can express and expose an ugly aspect of human nature for a higher moral purpose. In such a case the art itself may be less "beautiful" than the intentions of its expression.

Even when art is "ugly", if the artist has done his job then there will be a beautitful expression of that uglyness.

Ek0nomik · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 2065 Location: La Fleur

MS Paint.

Discuss.

Prog · Joined: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 2498

Ek0nomik wrote:

MS Paint.

Discuss.

This is a beautiful artistic expression of ugly! :-D

NeedsREALfreedom · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 1761 Location: MN, USA

Ek0nomik wrote:

MS Paint.

Discuss.

Simple, mundane, ordered and yet disordered, something you might see on the wall of a hair stylist's shop.

Do you have any repressed homosexuality?

:P Just kidding...

XxMorningStarxX · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 287 Location: XxUndIsCloSedxX

homosexual? Speaking about psychology and forms of expression and how it reflects on personality, you know I read somewhere that if you have a tendency to wear or paint things red and black, it demonstrates an inner psychotic tendency. = ) To be specific, a psychotic tendency for rage and madness- My favorite colors are red and black..... hmmm.... I don't think i'm quite psychotic.

George W Bush · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:19 am Post subject:

remember the controversy over "Piss Christ":

XxMorningStarxX · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 287 Location: XxUndIsCloSedxX

yup..... it was funded through the National Endowment of the Arts... I still don't get why the guy soaked it in piss.. Was he debasing Christ or humanizing him????