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Christ is Forever · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 7 Location: Tennessee

Some people say that God and Allah are the same being. So how can that be when God says this:

"Bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." - Luke 6:28-30

And Allah says this:

"Slay the enemy where you find him." - Surah 9:92

Discuss.

Snarf · Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 5459

Christ is Forever wrote: Some people say that God and Allah are the same being. So how can that be when God says this:

"Bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back." - Luke 6:28-30

And Allah says this:

"Slay the enemy where you find him." - Surah 9:92

Discuss.
There is only one God for Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Muslims see Jesus as a prophet. They pray to your God and always have...

"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10)

"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

$orideals · Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 113

Man's God is the one which best serves his interests at the time. In this God and Allah are the same God.

maskedJR · Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 2030 Location: kansas

They believe in the same God, but where the divide comes is between Isaac and Ishmael. All three religions claim Abraham though.

So being one God, who is correct in their beliefs and teachings?

Eduffy80911 · Joined: 10 Dec 2005 Posts: 4554

Both believe there is only one God, but they seem to have at least slightly different personalities. I guess the argument would only be over who knows him/her/it better.

Incidently the Christian and Jewish God also ordered the murder of men, women and children at Canon didn't he?

jawsome · Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 13580 Location: San Diego

well, considering that Christian and Judaism came before Islam, there obviously isn't going to be any references to Allah.

but, in numerous verses in the Koran (i've read it front to back), it says (paraphrased): the God of the Jews/Christians is Allah.

Muslims sure as hell should believe they're the same, but it isn't so explicit with Judeo-Christianity.

DystopianBelief · Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Boulder, CO

Literally, "Allah" is the same for Muslims as it is for Jews or Christians (sorry if I mispelled). I used to know why the name was different....I really don't remember anymore. However, some people would wonder if these three religions truly share the same god, since their beliefs are different. Still others would argue that the reason these religions are similar is that they all have the same God.

globalsmiles · Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Missouri

Allah was a moon god from a old persian religion if I recall correctly. That said it is all the same. I and only I understand the nature of God, and only through me shall you find him. That last sentence souind familiar to anyone.

maskedJR · Joined: 12 Feb 2005 Posts: 2030 Location: kansas

globalsmiles wrote: Allah was a moon god from a old persian religion if I recall correctly. That said it is all the same. I and only I understand the nature of God, and only through me shall you find him. That last sentence souind familiar to anyone.

It sounds too familuar, and I am reminded that as long as people believe that their religion alone holds all truth, violence, oppression and suffering will continue.

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

Is God schizophrenic?

XxMorningStarxX · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 287 Location: XxUndIsCloSedxX

Well.. God in the old testament could often be cruel (at least in my opinion... I mean you don't just blow up two cities right? give people a chance!) and vengeful. In the new testament, God is seen has more loving and forgiving, especially when he sends jesus to preach all that lovy dovy stuff. And "love your enemy" huh? My, my.. the contradictions...

The point is there are a myriad of contradictions in religious texts.. and keep in mind that religious texts are written by people, not God. They are technically "God's words" but if you've ever played telephone you will learn that there are many different interpretations to a saying...

So yes, Allah is God, and God is Allah... love thy enemy and hate thy enemy. When on religious grounds, learn to accept contradictions.

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

When religions are ways of life, you can't live with contradictions, that's why you have radical and violent factions of both sides.

XxMorningStarxX · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 287 Location: XxUndIsCloSedxX

Well... hell im an agnostic so i can cope with it, but are yo usaying people who follow religion should deny contradictions or accept them? Because radicals emerge from narrow mindedness..

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

I'm not saying that people should close their minds to other religions. However, what I'd advocate is tolerance of eachother's contradictions. Just because your holy text says this, and mine says that, doesn't mean that we have to fight to see which one is right. Or, just because I interpret the text this way, and you interpret that way, we don't have to fight to see which one is right. In saying that, I'm for acceptance of the differences that people have.

Aim-64C · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:30 am Post subject:

I've always sort of thought along the lines of "sorry - one of us has to die" when it comes to battlefield logic. In fact - maybe the guy you just killed could have been your best friend... hold no grudge against someone in battle.

The exception comes when someone is conducting themselves in a wicked manner - then I would enjoy the opportunity to slowly squeeze the life out of them, relishing every moment of their futile struggle to survive. Such as the guys at school who insist upon calling girls "S***","w****", etc.... but they aren't worth a trip to jail....

Johannes · Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 834

Aim-64C wrote: I've always sort of thought along the lines of "sorry - one of us has to die" when it comes to battlefield logic. In fact - maybe the guy you just killed could have been your best friend... hold no grudge against someone in battle.

The exception comes when someone is conducting themselves in a wicked manner - then I would enjoy the opportunity to slowly squeeze the life out of them, relishing every moment of their futile struggle to survive. Such as the guys at school who insist upon calling girls "sl**","w****", etc.... but they aren't worth a trip to jail....

Battlefield logic can only be applied to just that, a battlefield. Why insert the primal instincts of survival in a negotiation of relgious status and concepts? That truly lacks ambition of intellect. Why have such thoughts as "one of us has to die"? The code of Darwin isn't the only guideline to warfare. Are you incapable of accepting differences in beliefs and religions, or are you just stating your agenda to take over the world?

Aim-64C wrote: hold no grudge against someone in battle.

Have you no guilt, no love for the ended life of a fellow man, no matter his agressions towards you? Truly, your emotional outburts are probably better aimed at serious infractions towards peace in humanity, than the schoolyard bully.

Aim-64C · Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:52 am Post subject:

Johannes wrote: Aim-64C wrote: I've always sort of thought along the lines of "sorry - one of us has to die" when it comes to battlefield logic. In fact - maybe the guy you just killed could have been your best friend... hold no grudge against someone in battle.

The exception comes when someone is conducting themselves in a wicked manner - then I would enjoy the opportunity to slowly squeeze the life out of them, relishing every moment of their futile struggle to survive. Such as the guys at school who insist upon calling girls "sl**","w****", etc.... but they aren't worth a trip to jail....

Battlefield logic can only be applied to just that, a battlefield. Why insert the primal instincts of survival in a negotiation of relgious status and concepts? That truly lacks ambition of intellect. Why have such thoughts as "one of us has to die"? The code of Darwin isn't the only guideline to warfare. Are you incapable of accepting differences in beliefs and religions, or are you just stating your agenda to take over the world?

Aim-64C wrote: hold no grudge against someone in battle.

Have you no guilt, no love for the ended life of a fellow man, no matter his agressions towards you? Truly, your emotional outburts are probably better aimed at serious infractions towards peace in humanity, than the schoolyard bully.

Sounds like someone's excited.

I was reffering to the whole "is God schitzophrenic/God destroying cities and yet loving everyone". Simply - things have to be done, for the good of all, and all we can do is go on and learn from what's come to pass. That's life. People live, people die. Learn to look at things a little more objectively every now and then - it's a perfect way to get under people's skin - we consistently think subjectively.

I wouldn't hold any grudge against a person I fought in combat - the exception being someone who was being a "schoolyard bully" - as you put it.

I would re-evaluate your standpoint and readiness to jump to conclusions. You greet things with so much hostility, for whatever reason. I don't see where you get this hostility from stating facts of life, itself.

WorldCitizenMovement · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 194 Location: Ontario

$orideals wrote: Man's God is the one which best serves his interests at the time. In this God and Allah are the same God.

very interesting point.

I think religous history proves your statement rather pointedly. I doubt history would reveal the thousands of religions and supreme beings that have permeated throughout human history if it were not for continual changing events in various human societies requiring different Gods for different times and places.

WorldCitizenMovement · Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 194 Location: Ontario

DystopianBelief wrote: Literally, "Allah" is the same for Muslims as it is for Jews or Christians (sorry if I mispelled). I used to know why the name was different....I really don't remember anymore. However, some people would wonder if these three religions truly share the same god, since their beliefs are different. Still others would argue that the reason these religions are similar is that they all have the same God.

I think the problem here is that we are trying to apply human characteristics to Allah (which in arabic translation, is the same monotheistic deity worshipped by christians, or simply "god") or God (Yahweh) and not seeing either from the point of view of their purposes. Religion in my opinion, is simply nothing more than a doctrine, a body of teachings in which the member or follower of the religion regiments and defines their life by; this since ancient recorded history can indicate the existence of religion at the dawn of early human civilization, has all religion has ever been. The Supreme Being or deliverer of those teachings serves only this purpose for that individual and not much more in my opinion. Thus, to try and define allah or god or buddha or any other monotheistic deity as anything else other than serving as a deliverer of teachings from which a person molds themself around is useless.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16382 Location: On Earth

Actually, "Allah" and "God" are One and the same. As Muslims, we believe that yes, He did reveal the Torah to Moses and the Bible/Gospel to Jesus. Of course, our Book is the Koran, the Final Revelation from God/Allah.

Also, Allah is actually an abbreviated form of "Al Lah", which means "The God". Many Arab Christians use the same word to refer to God.