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Australian race riots continue for second day

Sydney, Australia — Young people riding in vehicles smashed cars and store windows in suburban Sydney late Monday, a day after thousands of drunken white youths attacked people they believed were of Arab descent at a beach in the same area in one of Australia's worst outbursts of racial violence.

Sunday's attack – apparently prompted by reports that Lebanese youths had assaulted two lifeguards – sparked retaliation by young men of Arab descent in several Sydney suburbs, fighting with police and smashing 40 cars with sticks and bats, police said. Thirty-one people were injured and 16 were arrested in hours of violence.

The rampage on Monday broke out in Cronulla, the same coastal suburb where the violence began, and in neighbouring Carringbah, said Paul Bugden, spokesman for New South Wales police. Calm was restored by early Tuesday.

Mr. Bugden said six people were arrested and one person apparently was hit by a rock in Monday's violence. He did not have descriptions of those involved in the rampage, but he said it “obviously stems from the last 24-48 hours.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051212.waust1212/BNStory/International/

SCC · Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 1070 Location: somewhere

Are you Aussies racist as s**t or what? Kidding of course. I hope this isn't going to turn into another French riot style debate as I don't think taht culture or race should even be an issue here.

Is this a problem with eclave settling? If so, immigrant enclaves shouldn't be a problem at all. It's normal procedure in immigration. The racial violence we saw in France has partly to do with ethnocentric values in French society (not universal) that have caused what appears to be a break from the normal generational evolution of the immigrant (sometimes called the Immigrant cycle). Is this happening at all in Australia? I don't know. It's happened in the US for every ethnic group from the Irish to the Japanese to the Arab and Muslim - Americans and their descendents. If anything, racial violence just goes to show that people don't like to learn from their mistakes.

All I know is that all this sturm and drang is over pure stupidity, and I don't think a few stupid riots need to be of concern to the world, cause as soon as you're born, you're f****d, so deal with it.

George W Bush · Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject:

Ah! Ya blokes!
No really though, dont let what a few little punks do represent an entire nation.
Hope they can settle differences with a beer.
Fosters. Australian for beer.

Rilzic · Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Alb, NM, USA

"a day after thousands of drunken white youths"

they couldn't have all been drunk! I take it they were the most hostile, right?

I hope the riots and France and Australia are signs of what is to come. although i'd have to say a bright future is harder to imagine.

I have also read that there we some racist groups fuming the flames. how much was this involed? Anyone from Australia know anything more?

"Police, meanwhile, formed a strike force to track down the instigators of the attack, some of whom were believed to be from white supremacist groups." - Fox news

Kindred · Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:58 am Post subject:

Rilzic wrote: "a day after thousands of drunken white youths"

they couldn't have all been drunk! I take it they were the most hostile, right?

Dude, you mustn't know Australians (particularly young, male, suburban Australians) very well. I'd bet at least 80% of them would have been drinking solidly all day, that's just my prediction, but based on the demographic I'd say it's a good a guess as any.

DavidXV · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 9828

Kinda sux race riots in the 21st century, people are friggin nuts, man!

Oh well, at least its not another Republican taking bribes. :-|

Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

Why exactly would that be worse? A republican taking bribes doesn't really affect me personally, it's not like their aren't democrats taking them. I have relatives in Sydney so this hits a lot closer to home.

DavidXV · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 9828

Shady wrote: Why exactly would that be worse? A republican taking bribes doesn't really affect me personally, it's not like their aren't democrats taking them. I have relatives in Sydney so this hits a lot closer to home. I don't actually think it's worse, it was just a poor attempt at humor or sarcasm, because it took a race riot to remove the corruption from the first page you see when you log on.

sherborne · Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 800 Location: London

Quote: Total population: 21 million
Australian: 6.7m (38.7%)
English: 6.4m (36.5%)
Irish: 1.9m (11%)
Italian: 800,000 (4.6%)
German: 742,000 (4.3%)
Chinese: 557,000 (3.2%)
Greek: 376,000 (2.2%)
Dutch: 269,000 (1.5%)
Lebanese: 162,000 (0.9%)
Indian: 157,000
Vietnamese: 157,000 (0.9%)

Wow. What a statistic. It would be interesting to see whether all the rioters were australian. Im amazed that there is nearly as many brits as there are ozzies.

John Galt · Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 21227 Location: Minnesota

Well... it was just a British prision not to long ago, ain't that right mates?

Kindred · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:37 am Post subject:

sherborne wrote: Quote: Total population: 21 million
Australian: 6.7m (38.7%)
English: 6.4m (36.5%)
Irish: 1.9m (11%)
Italian: 800,000 (4.6%)
German: 742,000 (4.3%)
Chinese: 557,000 (3.2%)
Greek: 376,000 (2.2%)
Dutch: 269,000 (1.5%)
Lebanese: 162,000 (0.9%)
Indian: 157,000
Vietnamese: 157,000 (0.9%)

Wow. What a statistic. It would be interesting to see whether all the rioters were australian. Im amazed that there is nearly as many brits as there are ozzies.

Wow, those stats are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. About 73% of Australians were born in Aussie-Land.

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

Well watching fox, thank god for fox, I've finialy gotten another angle that none of the other major news agencies have touched on. They had a Aussie reporter who shed some light on this whole thing.

Apparently there has been tensions building in Syndny for quite some time. For the past decades Arab gangs have been taking over the south beaches there. And confrontations between the gangs and the local Aussi's have been getting more and more violet. The murder of the lifeguard isn't the first act of violence just the one that went too far.

The problem is that for the last 10 years the government has done nothing to clean up the gang problem. Actually going as far as to tell the poliect to ingnore it. Now following the murder the locals have taking matters into their own hands and it has turned into mob violence. This should have been delt with long ago. They have called a special session of parliament to finally deal with the problem and untie the polices hands but only time will tell.

Kindred · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:31 am Post subject:

GTTofAK wrote: Well watching fox, thank god for fox, I've finialy gotten another angle that none of the other major news agencies have touched on. They had a Aussie reporter who shed some light on this whole thing.

Apparently there has been tensions building in Syndny for quite some time. For the past decades Arab gangs have been taking over the south beaches there. And confrontations between the gangs and the local Aussi's have been getting more and more violet. The murder of the lifeguard isn't the first act of violence just the one that went too far.

The problem is that for the last 10 years the government has done nothing to clean up the gang problem. Actually going as far as to tell the poliect to ingnore it. Now following the murder the locals have taking matters into their own hands and it has turned into mob violence. This should have been delt with long ago. They have called a special session of parliament to finally deal with the problem and untie the polices hands but only time will tell.

:lol:

Yeah, FOX nailed it :lol:

Zoot · Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1999

Racism in Australia?

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO.

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

A.D wrote: GTTofAK wrote: Well watching fox, thank god for fox, I've finialy gotten another angle that none of the other major news agencies have touched on. They had a Aussie reporter who shed some light on this whole thing.

Apparently there has been tensions building in Syndny for quite some time. For the past decades Arab gangs have been taking over the south beaches there. And confrontations between the gangs and the local Aussi's have been getting more and more violet. The murder of the lifeguard isn't the first act of violence just the one that went too far.

The problem is that for the last 10 years the government has done nothing to clean up the gang problem. Actually going as far as to tell the poliect to ingnore it. Now following the murder the locals have taking matters into their own hands and it has turned into mob violence. This should have been delt with long ago. They have called a special session of parliament to finally deal with the problem and untie the polices hands but only time will tell.

:lol:

Yeah, FOX nailed it :lol:

No an Aussie reporter nailed it.

Kindred · Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:24 am Post subject:

GTTofAK wrote: A.D wrote: GTTofAK wrote: Well watching fox, thank god for fox, I've finialy gotten another angle that none of the other major news agencies have touched on. They had a Aussie reporter who shed some light on this whole thing.

Apparently there has been tensions building in Syndny for quite some time. For the past decades Arab gangs have been taking over the south beaches there. And confrontations between the gangs and the local Aussi's have been getting more and more violet. The murder of the lifeguard isn't the first act of violence just the one that went too far.

The problem is that for the last 10 years the government has done nothing to clean up the gang problem. Actually going as far as to tell the poliect to ingnore it. Now following the murder the locals have taking matters into their own hands and it has turned into mob violence. This should have been delt with long ago. They have called a special session of parliament to finally deal with the problem and untie the polices hands but only time will tell.

:lol:

Yeah, FOX nailed it :lol:

No an Aussie reporter nailed it.

Mate, I live in Australia and I can tell you, that reported hardly 'nailed it'. What we saw this week is the result of ignorance, racism and beer. What you have attempted to do above, is avoid the fact that 5,000 white, Anglo-Saxon males went on a violent, alcohol - fueled rampage during which they used egregious force against ANYBODY of middle-eastern, or ethnic appearance, as well as anybody who tried to dilute the situation, including ambulance officers, police and the general public. I've seen footage of males bashing females, gangs chasing people of middle eastern appearance as they walked by, mobs throwing beer bottles at ambulance paramedics- it is an UGLY site, and unfortunately you can't implicitly use this as an agenda furthering riot.

What you saw on FOX was a right wing mouth piece, trying to push the blame for this riot: a riot controlled, organised and executed by drunken, racist individuals, on middle eastern people. It's absurdly racist in its self. How did they explain the white youths who paraded around in T-shirts with ‘ETHNIC CLEANSING UNIT’ written on them?

What should have been dealt with long ago is the out-dated views many Australians obviously still hold i.e. the xenophobic views which create an us and them mentality in the first place.

BTW, I don't know how you can say it's between 'Arabs and Aussies', they're almost all Australian.

Antiloop · Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:02 am Post subject:

I see it as a mini version of a war - Australians defending their freedom against people who they who see as threatening their freedom, and because it was Lebanese people threatening their freedom it was easier to wage the war because everyone could easily distinguish between the teams. But aside from that fact, when you look at the fundamentals of it, the whole things not actually about race. Its only become an issue of race because the people who are threatening people's freedom at this beach are all of the same race and some of their justifications for acting in the way that they do are based on their particular cultural beliefs (eg the calling girls in bikinis whores).

The Australians defending their freedom against the other Australians have confused the issues. Theyre not actually arguing against Lebanese people being here; theyre arguing against gangs going around threatening other people's freedom (which is a totally fair argument to have). But because they were pissed off with the latter issue, they turned it into an argument against Lebanese migration (its like that argument that the parents spring on you if you live at home as an adult and you have an argument with them: 'well if youre not prepared to abide by our rules, you can get out.'). Its an understandable reaction but one they really shouldve tried to avoid if they wanted to stage a classy retalliation.

Its a real shame that they couldnt have made the distinction between not tolerating the behaviour of the gangs and not tolerating the racial origin of the people in the gangs before they went into the brawl, if for nothing else to spare us all another 'Australians are racist' debate. Oh and it wouldve been good if they hadve dropped the violence too.

kickback · Joined: 18 Dec 2005 Posts: 2 Location: Brisbane

This has been going to happen for years its was just s matter of when! These lebbo youths have been bashing anyone they like in large packs for years, and nothing has ever been done about it. They come to the beach to stir trouble, they are not there to surf and enjoy the beach because they are not dressed suitably. They hassle young girls as young as 13.

Now anyone who thinks we are racist for standing up for our country and morals think what you like, but the fact is muslim young men in Australia have to comform to our rules and morals, we wont change for them.

TB · Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 76

Firstly, the Lebbo's are not particularly liked by anyone and that includes people in the Middle East. The Lebbos treat Palestinian and Syrians etc as scum. They hate them. A Palestinain may not own land in Lebanon.

A Lebbo judges his success on how much money he makes regardless of where it comes from.

Local Lebbo's here in Oz are as cocky as hell due to their particular nature and the fact that they are big consumers of their own "product". I noted the rise in aggro and cockiness as they became major players in the Amphetamine distribution network here in Oz.

Please note the kissing and hugging of two major suburban players the "Commanchero" biker gang and the "Bra Boyz". They are pissed that with the new Police Powers they are going to have a tough time making money from drug dealing.

Seeing them make up was one of the funniest things I have EVER seen!

The coppers are laughing. They have let this go so they could bring in new Police Powers of search and arrest and they now have them.

Chris Ellison and the F.P have declared war on drug dealing in this country. The major players consume to much of their own product and forget that the coppers are the largest and most powerful gang on the beat and they will simply wait for the public to begin begging for tougher laws. And so it is...

AMPHETAMINES are destroying the social fabric and account for so much trouble it must be gotton rid of. It is worse than heroin.