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[Saracen]

Passover is the day when Moses "passed over" the Nile and got away from the Pharaoh's murderous cavalry.

But that's not what I want to ask about.

In Islam, we have a similar occasion called "Ashura" (Arabic, has something to do with the number 10) that observes the same historical event. As Muslims we fast on that day. But it's on a day that is always the same on the Islamic Hegira calendar every year (10 Muharram).

So my question is this: In Judaism, is Passover on the same day each year on the Gregorian Calendar, or...? :?

[uzi]

It's called Passover not because Moses passed over, or skipped over, or skinny-dipped in the Red Sea, but because God sent the angel of death to take the first born son of every family in Egypt and passed over all the Hebrew homes since they were marked. Since then we also have the tradition of the Mezuza which is a small cilindrical object containing passages from the Torah 'marking' a home as a Jewish home.

As for the calander, yes it's on the same date every year according to the Jewish Calender, the 14th of the Jewish month of Nisan (usually around March or April on the Gregorian Calender).

As to any similarities with Ashura, well, Jewish holidays are a lot older, so...

[JCool333]

uzi covered it.

As he said, the event which resulted in Ashura happened in 680 AD. Way after the Passover story.

And no passing over occurred on that day, from what I know. I was under the impression that there was a war in which the Ummayad regime slaughtered a few hunded resisters, for not bowing to the Caliph of the time.

[Saracen]

As he said, the event which resulted in Ashura happened in 680 AD. Way after the Passover story.

And no passing over occurred on that day, from what I know. I was under the impression that there was a war in which the Ummayad regime slaughtered a few hunded resisters, for not bowing to the Caliph of the time.

That's not what I read in the Teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I read that it was something that happened at Moses's time.

[JCool333]

Moath wrote: As he said, the event which resulted in Ashura happened in 680 AD. Way after the Passover story.

And no passing over occurred on that day, from what I know. I was under the impression that there was a war in which the Ummayad regime slaughtered a few hunded resisters, for not bowing to the Caliph of the time.

That's not what I read in the Teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). I read that it was something that happened at Moses's time.

Those people weren't alive in those times...here's all the info you need:

Ashura Site

Additional info

Also, read this for confusion about Moses relations.

[Saracen]

That's the Shiite side of Ashura. I'm Sunnite, and this doesn't apply to me. :?

What I know is that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) spoke of the Jewish Ashor (sorry, my mistake. It's not Passover I was intending to talk about
:? ), and that he acknowledged it as an occasion on the Islamic calendar as well, and named it Ashura:

There are two variant explanations for Ashura's historical background. The one of Western scientists traces it back to Muhammad's arrival in Yathrib (later Madina) and the influence from the Jews in this town. On the day of Atonement 'ashor, the Jews fasted from sunset to sunset (24 hours), which was different from other fast days that took place only during daytime. The Jews celebrated Ashor on the 10th Tishri (today Yom Kippur). Muhammad adopted this practice, as well as many other Jewish rituals.

So, Yom Kippur was Ashor. Interesting.

But then that sprouts a deduction: the Jewish calendar and the Islamic calendar somewhat coincide when it comes to Yom Kippur and Ashura.

[JCool333]

Moath wrote:
But then that sprouts a deduction: the Jewish calendar and the Islamic calendar somewhat coincide when it comes to Yom Kippur and Ashura.

Why is that strange. You just explained why...Muhammed adopted it...

[Saracen]

You missed the point. Do the Islamic Calendars and the Judaic calendars coincide? I mean, is 10 of Muharram the same as 10 of Nisan or Tisrit?

[Secondary Oak]

Moath wrote: You missed the point. Do the Islamic Calendars and the Judaic calendars coincide? I mean, is 10 of Muharram the same as 10 of Nisan or Tisrit?
Nope. The Islamic calendar is a lunar calendar, and thus no day can possibly coincide with any other day on a different calendar - whether lunisolar (like the Hebrew or Chinese one) or solar (like the gregorian one).

[Saracen]

Thx