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Saracen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:24 am Post subject: The Talmud |
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I've heard about this book from a friend of mine, and I'm interested in it. Is there a link for an online Talmud reading? I'd very much appreciate it.
Cheers =) |
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Israel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: The Talmud |
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Moath wrote: I've heard about this book from a friend of mine, and I'm interested in it. Is there a link for an online Talmud reading? I'd very much appreciate it.
Cheers =)
I don't think there is an english translation of the Talmud on the net that I know of. IMO, Talmud is something you shouldn't study on your own. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. I'll check the library then. I asked this question because I know that another book, the Zohar, is up on the net.
And about that I shouldn't study the Talmud on my own... I know that. The Koran isn't something I study on my own either. :) |
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Israel
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: Thanks. I'll check the library then. I asked this question because I know that another book, the Zohar, is up on the net.
It won't be in a library. Check for a Chabad House near your location, www.chabad.org they will be able to teach you Talmud there, although I don't think you understand how big it is... :-D It's something that takes years and years of study. When I go to Minyan every morning we have a 20-30 minute Talmud class with our Rabbi. I really don't know if they will teach you talmud but if any sect or Orthodox will, Chabad will...
Moath wrote: And about that I shouldn't study the Talmud on my own... I know that. The Koran isn't something I study on my own either. :)
Okay, just make sure you study with someone who knows Talmud, don't study with another friend who doesn't know it either. :)
All the best... |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Apparently there's an online copy here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Quote: Talmud is something you shouldn't study on your own.
Why is that? |
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Mailech
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: |
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John wrote: Quote: Talmud is something you shouldn't study on your own.
Why is that?
Mostly because if you don't have the proper background, you will not really understand the whole structure of what is going on and you can very easily misunderstand or misconstrue what it says |
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Israel
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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psholtz wrote: Apparently there's an online copy here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
I still wouldn't suggest reading on your own. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Israel wrote: psholtz wrote: Apparently there's an online copy here:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
I still wouldn't suggest reading on your own.
Thanks, I'll take my chances though... :wink: |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Mailech wrote: John wrote: Quote: Talmud is something you shouldn't study on your own.
Why is that?
Mostly because if you don't have the proper background, you will not really understand the whole structure of what is going on and you can very easily misunderstand or misconstrue what it says
You mean like the part that talks about eating dog turds? I really hope I misunderstood that part. |
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Mailech
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: Mailech wrote: John wrote: Quote: Talmud is something you shouldn't study on your own.
Why is that?
Mostly because if you don't have the proper background, you will not really understand the whole structure of what is going on and you can very easily misunderstand or misconstrue what it says
You mean like the part that talks about eating dog turds? I really hope I misunderstood that part.
John, I have no doubt in my mind that you did. |
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Saracen
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| The Talmud is something you shouldnt study on your own, like the Bible, the Torah and the Koran. If you do, it might bring up prejudice and wrong interpretations of the text that you're studying. |
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Mailech
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Moath wrote: The Talmud is something you shouldnt study on your own, like the Bible, the Torah and the Koran. If you do, it might bring up prejudice and wrong interpretations of the text that you're studying.
You are right Moath of course. It is funny, I have had Muslim friends, and in many ways Judaism is just as close if not closer to Islam than it is to Christianity, it is just the politics that get in the way. The flip side is that some of the religious aspects have definite political ramifications. Oh well. |
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John
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Moath wrote: The Talmud is something you shouldnt study on your own, like the Bible, the Torah and the Koran. If you do, it might bring up prejudice and wrong interpretations of the text that you're studying.
Are you kidding? Christianity promotes highly that you read the Bible for yourself. I honestly think that most of the bad interpretations of the Bible that are floating around come from people believing what other people say about the Bible than from reading it for personally.
God promises that His word will not return void without accomplishing its purpose...reading the Bible can do you nothing but good. |
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John
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Mailech wrote: John wrote: Mailech wrote: John wrote: Quote: Talmud is something you shouldn't study on your own.
Why is that?
Mostly because if you don't have the proper background, you will not really understand the whole structure of what is going on and you can very easily misunderstand or misconstrue what it says
You mean like the part that talks about eating dog turds? I really hope I misunderstood that part.
John, I have no doubt in my mind that you did.
What does it mean? |
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psholtz
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Mailech wrote: Moath wrote: The Talmud is something you shouldnt study on your own, like the Bible, the Torah and the Koran. If you do, it might bring up prejudice and wrong interpretations of the text that you're studying.
You are right Moath of course. It is funny, I have had Muslim friends, and in many ways Judaism is just as close if not closer to Islam than it is to Christianity, it is just the politics that get in the way. The flip side is that some of the religious aspects have definite political ramifications. Oh well.
The Christians accept the Teachings of Jesus; the Muslims accept the Teachings of Jesus; and the Talmud teaches that Jesus is in Hell being boiled alive in hot human excrement.. And you think that Judaism is closer to Islam than Christianity is? Perhaps in linguistics, Hebrew and Arabic both being Semetic languages (Shalom and Salaam and so forth), but I'm not sure that's the case from a philosophical point of view..
Of course, I might be completely offbase in my interpretation of the Talmud above (the bit about Jesus being in Hell).. if I am, please correct me. This is definately one of those cases where I'd prefer to be wrong rather than right. |
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John
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http://www.come-and-hear.com/navigate.html
This site has it. |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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John wrote: http://www.come-and-hear.com/navigate.html
This site has it.
"America under the Talmud", as sponsored by United Hebrew Congregation and the British Commonwealth... uuuuhhhhh.... :shock:
I'm sorry, but the Founding Fathers would be rolling in their graves (as if they aren't already). America was founded on a number of important principles, and the Talmud is not one of them. Moreover, the whole concept of "America under the Talmud" is something of a contradiction in terms, esp in light of our First Amendment guarantees concerning freedom of religious worship.. |
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cap'n queasy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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What do you think of Elizabeth Dilling, who is right under that?
Looks like both sides are presented to me. Pro-Talmud and con-Talmud.
Anything wrong with that? |
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