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[Saracen]

This is something the enemies of Islam have been doing again and again and again. They are trying to distort the Koran and subliminally deliver an evangelical message to Muslims in order to get a few converts out of them. All previous attempts have been quelled and subdued. Sure, Muslims aren't dumb to distinguish between the real Koran and a fake. One of the latest attempts is a book written by a heretic "sheik" living in California by the name of "Al Safee". You can find samples from the book here:

http://www.islam-exposed.org/

I'm sure, my Muslim brothers and sisters, that you have something that talks about this in your inbox by now (unless, of course, you have deleted it, lol). This "21st Century Koran" goes as far to attacking Allah (SWT) Himself!

I've heard from other forums that they do the same thing with other books such as the Bible and Torah. They are doing such re-writes very recently. I believe such a cowardly deceptive distortion of text is wrong and should be banned.

[Abdul-Azim]

I just read this site and compared some verses to the ones i memorized in the Glourious book of Allah, The holy Quran and this makes me angry. What this site as my friend above has shown is completely ****ed. This is intolerable, this only shows the hate and corruptions of some anti-Islamic people are trying to promote. I apologize for my cursing but I can’t stand these alternated words of my religion being shown in such a way. This is completely unacceptable. Think about this people, do we go around changing up the bible or the torah, do we? Then why do these people do this to our holy book; I’ll tell you why because they can’t stand the truth or basically their bunch of jackasses who want to misguide others. We never mock others religion, that’s not what our faith commands us to do. We spread peace and blessings and WE DON’T FORCE ANYTHING NOR PROMOTE TERRORISM. Why is Islam the fastest growing religion on the face of this planet today? Its because those who ACTUALLY take the time to read and understand it rather than ridiculing and misguiding others get the message.

BOTTOM LINE: DON’T HAVE ANYTING NICE TO SAY, THEN DON’T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: hey are trying to distort the Koran and subliminally deliver an evangelical message to Muslims in order to get a few converts out of them.

No, they are simply a spin-off, of which all main religions have plenty. Alawis, Sufis, Ismaelis, Wahhabis, Druze etc. are all spin offs aswell.
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is a book written by a heretic "sheik" living in California by the name of "Al Safee"

You put sheik in inverted commas but isn't sheik hereditary? (I'm not sure)

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I'm sure, my Muslim brothers and sisters, that you have something that talks about this in your inbox by now (unless, of course, you have deleted it, lol). This "21st Century Koran" goes as far to attacking Allah (SWT) Himself!

Why do you care? He's not harming anyone.

Quote: I've heard from other forums that they do the same thing with other books such as the Bible and Torah. They are doing such re-writes very recently. I believe such a cowardly deceptive distortion of text is wrong and should be banned.

Why should they be banned? What gives you the right to ban the expression of another. If you don't like the stupid book, then don't ban it. Otherwise Christians and Jews could use the same excuse to ban Islam - a spin-off of those two religions.
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This is intolerable, this only shows the hate and corruptions of some anti-Islamic people are trying to promote.

Only because you lack tolerance, it does no harm to you...mind your own business.

Quote: Think about this people, do we go around changing up the bible or the torah, do we?

:lol: Really? So which came first, the Koran or the Bible or the Torah? The Bible is an addendum to the Torah and the Koran is based on both.

Quote: Then why do these people do this to our holy book

Maybe because they believe this, they also haven't changed 'your' book but written their own. After all did they take away your book and write over the typeface?

Quote: We never mock others religion, that’s not what our faith commands us to do.

Really? Why are you mocking the guy who wrote that book's religion?

Quote: We spread peace and blessings and WE DON’T FORCE ANYTHING NOR PROMOTE TERRORISM.

Well Moath said that this book should be banned - I count banning as force, don't you?

[Saracen]

No, they are simply a spin-off, of which all main religions have plenty. Alawis, Sufis, Ismaelis, Wahhabis, Druze etc. are all spin offs aswell.

Reason, you have no idea what you're talking about. Honestly.
All sects of Islam base their teachings on the True Koran, not this fake book that this guy made. And btw, here's the website of the real person behind this scheme:
http://www.islam-in-focus.com/

You put sheik in inverted commas but isn't sheik hereditary? (I'm not sure)

He claims to profess knowledge about Islam, whereby he doesn't.

Why do you care? He's not harming anyone

Twisting the minds of people subliminally and through deception is harm.
And how dare he attacks God: the God of Islam. The God of Christianity. And the God of Judaism.

Why should they be banned? What gives you the right to ban the expression of another. If you don't like the stupid book, then don't ban it. Otherwise Christians and Jews could use the same excuse to ban Islam - a spin-off of those two religions.

Islam is NOT a spin-off of two religions. But because of the reason this book was made, I oppose it. You are becoming intolerable, Reason.

Only because you lack tolerance, it does no harm to you...mind your own business.

Do you think I should stay silent about my religion? About what's being said about it? About the twisting by this "sheik"? I'll continue to literalize him between quote marks.

Really? So which came first, the Koran or the Bible or the Torah? The Bible is an addendum to the Torah and the Koran is based on both.

And you call yourself an Alawi Bohrist. Seriously, Reason, get your facts straight. The Koran, like the Bible and Torah, came from Divine Revelation. From GOD. It wasn't based on the Torah or the Bible. It came from God Himself to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Maybe because they believe this, they also haven't changed 'your' book but written their own. After all did they take away your book and write over the typeface?

They challenged my Book. That's what matters. They think they can replace the Koran. No one can. And in the mindset of the Christians and Jews, no one can replace the Bible or the Torah either. And stop bringing up your sarcasm. I don't like it.

Really? Why are you mocking the guy who wrote that book's religion?

That book lacks religion. It is just a mere challenge to the Koran. A twisting of Islamic principles, if you want to put it that way.

Well Moath said that this book should be banned - I count banning as force, don't you?

Some force is necessary. Especially this one.

And thanks for quoting my friend. He is asserting that whoever wrote this book didn't write it for Islam, but strictly against it.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: All sects of Islam base their teachings on the True Koran, not this fake book that this guy made. And btw, here's the website of the real person behind this scheme:

Really? What do you know about the Druze doctrines? Nothing? Not surprising it's a secret. Also how do you know that it was that guy who wrote the book?

Quote: He claims to profess knowledge about Islam, whereby he doesn't.

Doesn't mean he's not a sheik, being a sheik is hereditary, isn't it?

Quote: Twisting the minds of people subliminally and through deception is harm.

he's not deceiving anyone, he's written a book and you don't have to read if you don't want to.
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And how dare he attacks God: the God of Islam. The God of Christianity. And the God of Judaism.

I think god is big enough to defend himself, don't you?
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Islam is NOT a spin-off of two religions. But because of the reason this book was made, I oppose it. You are becoming intolerable, Reason.

You're saying that Islam has no basis in Christianity or Judaism? This book is based on Islam, it's doing to Islam what Islam did to Christainity and Christianity to Judaism.
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Do you think I should stay silent about my religion? About what's being said about it? About the twisting by this "sheik"? I'll continue to literalize him between quote marks.

No you should talk as much as you want, but you shouldn't ban stuff anymore than you should be banned.

Quote: And you call yourself an Alawi Bohrist. Seriously, Reason, get your facts straight. The Koran, like the Bible and Torah, came from Divine Revelation. From GOD. It wasn't based on the Torah or the Bible. It came from God Himself to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

You believe that, great, maybe I do too. Yet this guy may well believe that his book comes from God himself.

Quote: They challenged my Book. That's what matters. They think they can replace the Koran. No one can. And in the mindset of the Christians and Jews, no one can replace the Bible or the Torah either. And stop bringing up your sarcasm. I don't like it.

Great, defend your book with reason, don't be such a little child as to want to ban their book.
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That book lacks religion. It is just a mere challenge to the Koran. A twisting of Islamic principles, if you want to put it that way.

You say it lacks religion, yet a Christian might say the Koran lacks religion. Criticse all you want, but banning stuff on such an inane basis is....inane.

Quote: Some force is necessary. Especially this one.

If Islam is the true religion then there's no need to ban challengers, nor is it very islamic of you to want to. God didn't give us free will in order to take it away from others. I'm sure you don't care about liberty, morals, or reason but think about this: you start banning stuff that you dislike then one day people might ban stuff that you like, they may even ban you.

[Saracen]

Really? What do you know about the Druze doctrines? Nothing? Not surprising it's a secret. Also how do you know that it was that guy who wrote the book?

I have Druze friends back home. I know their doctrines.

And that guy wrote the book. It was underhand.

Doesn't mean he's not a sheik, being a sheik is hereditary, isn't it?

I'm talking sheik in the religious context. Sometimes, sheik can be synonymous with imam.

he's not deceiving anyone, he's written a book and you don't have to read if you don't want to.

Oh, really? Then how come the first shipment sent was to a young boy's school in Kuwait? And Kuwait is predominantly (99%) Muslim.

I think god is big enough to defend himself, don't you?

He sure is. But that's one of the good things about God: He is Merciful. He can give this guy time to change his ways (either revert to one faith, or stop his deception and take back what he said about God).

You're saying that Islam has no basis in Christianity or Judaism? This book is based on Islam, it's doing to Islam what Islam did to Christainity and Christianity to Judaism.

I think I just mentioned that Islam, although connected with Christianity and Judaism, is in its own a base religion because of the Divine Revelation to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) altogether.

No you should talk as much as you want, but you shouldn't ban stuff anymore than you should be banned.

Are you trying to say that I should be banned? I'm warning my Muslim brothers and sisters from falling into this subverting deception. Why did you even join this thread? Am I a threat to liberalism? Believe me, you don't know how loose of a person I am.

You believe that, great, maybe I do too. Yet this guy may well believe that his book comes from God himself.

So what you're trying to say is that God revealed to this guy a self-condemnation? God forgive me...

Great, defend your book with reason, don't be such a little child as to want to ban their book.

Who said I'm childish? I'm basing my argument on reason: that this book is more harmful than helpful.

You say it lacks religion, yet a Christian might say the Koran lacks religion. Criticse all you want, but banning stuff on such an inane basis is....inane.

It lacks religion because it condemns the object of worship in the first place.
Seriously, Reason, stop spamming if you don't know what the book is about.

If Islam is the true religion then there's no need to ban challengers, nor is it very islamic of you to want to. God didn't give us free will in order to take it away from others. I'm sure you don't care about liberty, morals, or reason but think about this: you start banning stuff that you dislike then one day people might ban stuff that you like, they may even ban you.

Oh, you have no idea how much I care about morals and liberty in the first place. And Reason, I already am REASONable. I've just given you the reason why I'm blurting out against this book. And if people ban stuff that I like, I'd fight for it. Just to show you how much I care for freedom.
But this book that this guy made up is an opposition to Islam more than it is a "new revelation" (which it's not) altogether.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: I have Druze friends back home. I know their doctrines.

No offence, but I doubt you do (know their doctrines), since most Druze don't...
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Oh, really? Then how come the first shipment sent was to a young boy's school in Kuwait? And Kuwait is predominantly (99%) Muslim.

Do you have a link? Anyway, so what? It is a proselytysing religion,.just like your version of Islam.

Quote: He sure is. But that's one of the good things about God: He is Merciful. He can give this guy time to change his ways (either revert to one faith, or stop his deception and take back what he said about God).

Well then no need to ba books that criticise him, in fact to do so would be to go against god's will and mercy.
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Are you trying to say that I should be banned? I'm warning my Muslim brothers and sisters from falling into this subverting deception. Why did you even join this thread? Am I a threat to liberalism? Believe me, you don't know how loose of a person I am.

I don't think you should be banned.. of course not..I just wish that you wouldn't ask the banning of a book that you happen to dislike.
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Who said I'm childish? I'm basing my argument on reason: that this book is more harmful than helpful.

That's for each indidivual to decide, not the government, if you believe this then don't buy the book.

Quote: It lacks religion because it condemns the object of worship in the first place.

So did a sect of the Nizari Ismaelies, base in Alamut. Their founder's grandson, supposedly, said that they were already in paradise and thus worship was disrespectful to god, as in paradise one is always with god. No-one would claim that they weren't religious.

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Oh, you have no idea how much I care about morals and liberty in the first place. And Reason, I already am REASONable. I've just given you the reason why I'm blurting out against this book. And if people ban stuff that I like, I'd fight for it. Just to show you how much I care for freedom

No. You want to ban this book....freedom is universal, not just for you.

[Saracen]

No offence, but I doubt you do (know their doctrines), since most Druze don't...

No offence, but I think you doubt too much. I know how they pray, what they believe in, and what their rites are.

Do you have a link? Anyway, so what? It is a proselytysing religion,.just like your version of Islam.

FYI, the version of Islam I'm following is the same as that followed by millions of Muslims worldwide: Sunni Islam.

http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=131&num=17304&printer=1

This is from an international website based on Logical Philosophy. Enjoy.

Well then no need to ba books that criticise him, in fact to do so would be to go against god's will and mercy.

But for one thing: God doesn't like it when His followers stay silent about such a desecration. By God's Will, the book should be banned. By God's Mercy, the person who wrote it is being given time to take his attack back and repent for his sin.

I don't think you should be banned.. of course not..I just wish that you wouldn't ask the banning of a book that you happen to dislike.

Me and EVERY OTHER MUSLIM on Earth, you mean. Not just me. It's an attack against God and Islam. It's an attack on our sacred book, The Koran. It's a deliberate insult on our beliefs.

So did a sect of the Nizari Ismaelies, base in Alamut. Their founder's grandson, supposedly, said that they were already in paradise and thus worship was disrespectful to god, as in paradise one is always with god. No-one would claim that they weren't religious.

Of course not. They're typically Satanists. They worship themselves.

No. You want to ban this book....freedom is universal, not just for you.

Of course freedom is universal. But it's like saying that terrorism should stay. Think about it. The way you think about "Islamic" terrorism is the same way I think about that book.

[Robin Hood]

Quote: FYI, the version of Islam I'm following is the same as that followed by millions of Muslims worldwide: Sunni Islam.

ah, so more people believing in something makes it right? Well more people are Christians than Muslim, so are they all of a suddent right?
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No offence, but I think you doubt too much. I know how they pray, what they believe in, and what their rites are.

What because you never provide any evidence, and always ask for faith - typical superstitious theocrat.

Quote: But for one thing: God doesn't like it when His followers stay silent about such a desecration. By God's Will, the book should be banned. By God's Mercy, the person who wrote it is being given time to take his attack back and repent for his sin.

If your god says that humans should ban books on his behalf, then your god is a stupid bully, and your god is fascism, to which I say: go to hell.
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Me and EVERY OTHER MUSLIM on Earth, you mean. Not just me. It's an attack against God and Islam. It's an attack on our sacred book, The Koran. It's a deliberate insult on our beliefs.

You want to be ban books, you're a fascist.
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Think about it. The way you think about "Islamic" terrorism is the same way I think about that book.

Are you insane? You are comparing the slaughtering of innocent civillians with a book that no-one is forced to read or pay for?

[Saracen]

ah, so more people believing in something makes it right? Well more people are Christians than Muslim, so are they all of a suddent right?

What you said just doesn't make sense. :lm:

What because you never provide any evidence, and always ask for faith - typical superstitious theocrat.

Why do I have to provide them for YOU? You don't believe me, Reason?

If your god says that humans should ban books on his behalf, then your god is a stupid bully, and your god is fascism, to which I say: go to hell.

Now THAT won't be taken lightly. I didn't say God told us to BAN BOOKS. I told you that God doesn't let Muslims stay silent about the desecration that you and your bunch are doing to the face of Islam: making it sound like a violent religion. And you're flaming the thread now, if you haven't realised. Don't insult God like that again.

You want to be ban books, you're a fascist.

STUPID ASSUMPTION. I only talked about ONE book. Are you THAT liberal?

Are you insane? You are comparing the slaughtering of innocent civillians with a book that no-one is forced to read or pay for?

The seriousness of the crime is comparable. Do you know why? Because it's DECEPTIVE. It's the way it was brought about. It's the way that it was distributed. You have no idea whatsoever. Insulting Islam... Insulting God... Insulting the Prophet (PBUH).... Anti-Islamists such as yourself have gone too far in making Islam look bad to the world. They make it look like a religion of violence instead of a religion of peace. If it's because of bias in religious text, look at the Bible. Look at the Torah. Also, look at the radical priests and rabbis out there. Some of them go as far to place CURSES on others. Not one Muslim sheik has done so, even through their ranting. When you believe that a part of you has been insulted, you shouldn't back down. And I've noticed that there barely are as much anti-Christian and anti-Judaism websites out there as much as there are anti-Islamic websites. Making Islam look evil will make EVERY Muslim look evil. I'm not. When such a book that is sent as a deliberate insult to Islam from the West is sent to the East for YOUNG CHILDREN TO FOLLOW, this is called subversion. Subversion to some twisted form of Islam. You might be athiest, which is why you don't understand the reasons for my motive in all this. You might even be offended by me using the word GOD all the time. When someone attacks Islam that way, that's why I believe we should take such measures. If those guys in the West gave them original Bibles instead to read without labelling them as Korans, I would have thought otherwise.

Have I attacked YOUR religion? Have you seen me attack Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism? Tell me, Reason.

Actually, you know what... don't tell me, because I am probably not going to bother looking at this thread again because of you. I'm not going to waste my time anymore with someone so anti-Islamic like you. Say all you want about Islam. Say all you want about me. You understand it in a different context... Actually, you don't understand Islam to begin with. The only positive thing from my argument is this: if you don't want to convert to Islam, at least try to learn the true teachings of Islam from a sheik or imam (there might be one in your locale), or read books about Islam written by TRUE Muslims, not anti-Muslims and people like Salman Rushdie.


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[Robin Hood]

Quote: Why do I have to provide them for YOU? You don't believe me, Reason?

You are suppsoed to a discussion forum provide evidence and rational argument to make your points, not just ask fo faith....
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Now THAT won't be taken lightly. I didn't say God told us to BAN BOOKS. I told you that God doesn't let Muslims stay silent about the desecration that you and your bunch are doing to the face of Islam: making it sound like a violent religion. And you're flaming the thread now, if you haven't realised.

I am not making Islam sound like a violent religion, I'm just saying that your beliefs - which include banning books - is violent. It is not Islam, though, because you are a fascist not a Muslim.

Quote: Don't insult God like that again.

What? Or else you'll try to ban me...sure Herr moad.

I said this:
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Are you insane? You are comparing the slaughtering of innocent civillians with a book that no-one is forced to read or pay for?

to which you replied with this: The seriousness of the crime is comparable.

Your reply is sickening....
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Have I attacked YOUR religion? Have you seen me attack Christianity, Judaism or Buddhism? Tell me, Reason.

I'm attacking your sick book banning beliefs....not your religion, also you can argue against any set of ideas that you want - it's called freedom of speech - and you seek to deny it to people who disagree with you.

Quote: or read books about Islam written by TRUE Muslims, not anti-Muslims and people like Salman Rushdie.

Would you ban him? Maybe like him to be killed?

[TheGirlNextDoor]

*Let's stick to the topic and stop making gross generalizations - shall we?*

Thank you.