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[Lancaster]

www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

I'd like everyone to take a moment and watch this documentry.


Alright, well basically the United States commited an atrocity, a war crime. For this I believe they should hold a trial for Bush in the Hague. It is unacceptable for the world to ignore the actions of The United States, not anymore. First, the americans tortured the detainees at Abu Ghraib, Now they use MK-77 and White Phosphorus on a civilian population. If they are left unpunished, they will be free to do whatever they want, and the world will be set back hundreds of years. Personally, China as a global super-power is looking very attractive right now. Maybe they'll be able to balance the power.

[Lancaster]

You're telling me that nobody has anything to say? Outrage? Disgust? Question the source? Defend the actions? Come on!

[Saracen]

Bush is a war criminal by default. Look at what he's doing to Afghanistan and Iraq... Stealing oil... Covering up scandals... Using CHEMICAL weapons... Who does he think he is?

He's a bully, that's what. And we have no place for bullies of this magnitudde in this world.

Lancaster, thanks a lot for the video. While I'm not surprised at Bush's atrocious dealings, it does strengthen my opinion against him.

[dcoltonbrown]

Moath wrote: Bush is a war criminal by default. Look at what he's doing to Afghanistan and Iraq... Stealing oil... Covering up scandals... Using CHEMICAL weapons... Who does he think he is?

He's a bully, that's what. And we have no place for bullies of this magnitudde in this world.

Lancaster, thanks a lot for the video. While I'm not surprised at Bush's atrocious dealings, it does strengthen my opinion against him.
bin laden isn't a bully? zarqauwi isn't a bully. Hussein wasn't a bully.

You peopole are ridiculous. Whle the killer muslims are rolling their tongues in an effort to scream allah before the blow themselves up in public, Bush is working to eliminate these savages from the magnitude of this war.

Canadians, keep on crying. Trying to put bush on trial for 'war crimes' will not make Canada any more significant.

But, please try to arrest him so American can put Canada out of her misery. I am getting bored with fighting muslims...at least the true muslims have an ounce of integrity and morality. I say we committ war crimes against Canadians...it would be much more imperialistic, entertaining and much easier.

[eynon]

Quote: Personally, China as a global super-power is looking very attractive right now. Maybe they'll be able to balance the power.

:lol: holy-s**t are you ignorant or what? :lol:

I had hundreds of students when I was working over there who would give anything to be in your or my position right now.......yet you waste your freedom.

[Saracen]

Canadians, keep on crying. Trying to put bush on trial for 'war crimes' will not make Canada any more significant.

Funny. I never considered myself Canadian. Only a citizen who just immigrated years before, and am now here in Canada to study. I am continuing with daily life here as normal. I'm not going around and spreading pithy political messages.

bin laden isn't a bully? zarqauwi isn't a bully. Hussein wasn't a bully.

I didn't say anything defending Bin Laden, Zarqawi, or Saddam for that matter. This topic is about Bush. No doubt, all of them should be tried for war crimes.

You peopole are ridiculous. Whle the killer muslims are rolling their tongues in an effort to scream allah before the blow themselves up in public, Bush is working to eliminate these savages from the magnitude of this war.

You mean against civilians? Neither side is being truthful on who's attacking civilians. Those "killer muslims" who are attacking civilians and kidnapping them are not Muslims to begin with. Islam condemns such acts of terrorism. They proclaim themselves to be Muslims. Yet, they are extremists. Extremists exist in every religion. And... just read my sig.

But, please try to arrest him so American can put Canada out of her misery. I am getting bored with fighting muslims...at least the true muslims have an ounce of integrity and morality. I say we committ war crimes against Canadians...it would be much more imperialistic, entertaining and much easier

That's the funniest digression I've ever heard. However, I'm surprised that you dare write:

I am getting bored with fighting muslims...at least the true muslims have an ounce of integrity and morality.

You can't fight Muslims as a whole. Not all of them are extremist, or bad. True Muslims, like true Christians and Jews, have TONS of integrity and morality. And I believe you've just addressed one right now. Why don't you go read my other posts and see what I mean?

[dcoltonbrown]

Quote:
Funny. I never considered myself Canadian. Only a citizen who just immigrated years before, and am now here in Canada to study. I am continuing with daily life here as normal. I'm not going around and spreading pithy political messages.
why the flag?

Quote: t say anything defending Bin Laden, Zarqawi, or Saddam for that matter. This topic is about Bush. No doubt, all of them should be tried for war crimes.

Suprise, a Canadian has something bad to say about Bush
Quote:
You mean against civilians? Neither side is being truthful on who's attacking civilians. Those "killer muslims" who are attacking civilians and kidnapping them are not Muslims to begin with. Islam condemns such acts of terrorism. They proclaim themselves to be Muslims. Yet, they are extremists. Extremists exist in every religion. And... just read my sig.

semantics

Quote: That's the funniest digression I've ever heard. However, I'm surprised that you dare write:

[i]I am getting bored with fighting muslims...at least the true muslims have an ounce of integrity and morality.

You can't fight Muslims as a whole. Not all of them are extremist, or bad. True Muslims, like true Christians and Jews, have TONS of integrity and morality. And I believe you've just addressed one right now. Why don't you go read my other posts and see what I mean?

You miss the point, I would rather invade Canada.

[Saracen]

why the flag?

I'm living in Canada. No relevance. But my avatar tells you something, doesn't it? :-|

Suprise, a Canadian has something bad to say about Bush

Many people do. Not just Canadians. And I'm Palestinian, FYI. :wink:

semantics

Clarify.

You miss the point, I would rather invade Canada.

It's funny how you brought it out all of a sudden. :?

[Lucky Luke]

Lancaster wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

I'd like everyone to take a moment and watch this documentry.


Alright, well basically the United States commited an atrocity, a war crime. For this I believe they should hold a trial for Bush in the Hague. It is unacceptable for the world to ignore the actions of The United States, not anymore. First, the americans tortured the detainees at Abu Ghraib, Now they use MK-77 and White Phosphorus on a civilian population. If they are left unpunished, they will be free to do whatever they want, and the world will be set back hundreds of years. Personally, China as a global super-power is looking very attractive right now. Maybe they'll be able to balance the power.

Accusing Bush of war crimes is giving him too much credit for what is happening in the world today, General Miller or Rumsfeld now you are talking war criminals.
Bush was never cut to be a war criminal, he refused to go to war when he had the opportunity.

:-D
:-D

[dcoltonbrown]

Moath wrote: why the flag?

I'm living in Canada. No relevance. But my avatar tells you something, doesn't it? :-|

Suprise, a Canadian has something bad to say about Bush

Many people do. Not just Canadians. And I'm Palestinian, FYI. :wink:

semantics

Clarify.

You miss the point, I would rather invade Canada.

It's funny how you brought it out all of a sudden. :?
Are you a member of the many terror cells in Canad?
On this forum, it is mostly Canada spewing their anti-American drivel.

Semantics...the point is that we realize there are peaceful Muslims. Me, I call the silent muslims and the terrorists killer muslims,

I feel the world would be better off without Canada. Especially North America. The Canadian border poses more of a threat to the US than the Mexican border. And with the hateful attitude of Canada towards America, Canada has become a threat too! Ask yourself this, how many muslims and arabs are in Mexico versus Canada.

[Saracen]

Very funny.

I'm not talking about Canada, and I don't care.

And no, I'm not part of a Canadian "terrorist" cell.

And I'm spewing off my hate against the American GOVERNMENT, not America is a whole. Jeez, man, get real. :lol:

Ask yourself this, how many muslims and arabs are in Mexico versus Canada.

You tell me. In the end, it has nothing to do with terrorism. :roll:

[Chris29]

just ignore him Moath, it is impossible to argue with someone who classifies entire groups based on irrational observations.

[Saracen]

You know what? I will. He doesn't want to be taken seriously.

[galba]

Lancaster wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

I'd like everyone to take a moment and watch this documentry.


Alright, well basically the United States commited an atrocity, a war crime. For this I believe they should hold a trial for Bush in the Hague. It is unacceptable for the world to ignore the actions of The United States, not anymore. First, the americans tortured the detainees at Abu Ghraib, Now they use MK-77 and White Phosphorus on a civilian population. If they are left unpunished, they will be free to do whatever they want, and the world will be set back hundreds of years. Personally, China as a global super-power is looking very attractive right now. Maybe they'll be able to balance the power.

I think to be a war criminal you have to give explicit orders to carry out a war crime. I don't think Bush told the military to make sure to use WP.

[Lancaster]

galba wrote: Lancaster wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

I'd like everyone to take a moment and watch this documentry.


Alright, well basically the United States commited an atrocity, a war crime. For this I believe they should hold a trial for Bush in the Hague. It is unacceptable for the world to ignore the actions of The United States, not anymore. First, the americans tortured the detainees at Abu Ghraib, Now they use MK-77 and White Phosphorus on a civilian population. If they are left unpunished, they will be free to do whatever they want, and the world will be set back hundreds of years. Personally, China as a global super-power is looking very attractive right now. Maybe they'll be able to balance the power.

I think to be a war criminal you have to give explicit orders to carry out a war crime. I don't think Bush told the military to make sure to use WP.

actually, in the video they mentioned that they waited for the results of the election, and that they couldn't use it if Kerry was elected. I take this as bush's obvious consent.

[eynon]

Lucky Luke wrote: Lancaster wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

I'd like everyone to take a moment and watch this documentry.


Alright, well basically the United States commited an atrocity, a war crime. For this I believe they should hold a trial for Bush in the Hague. It is unacceptable for the world to ignore the actions of The United States, not anymore. First, the americans tortured the detainees at Abu Ghraib, Now they use MK-77 and White Phosphorus on a civilian population. If they are left unpunished, they will be free to do whatever they want, and the world will be set back hundreds of years. Personally, China as a global super-power is looking very attractive right now. Maybe they'll be able to balance the power.

Accusing Bush of war crimes is giving him too much credit for what is happening in the world today, General Miller or Rumsfeld now you are talking war criminals.
Bush was never cut to be a war criminal, he refused to go to war when he had the opportunity.

:-D
:-D

Rummie? now your getting some-where....although I wouldn't say he's guilty of war crime, more like gross-negligence.. :wink:

[Saracen]

Good point, Eynon, old sport.

But think about it this way: Bush is in charge of everything... isn't he?

He even claimed recently that the Iraq war was HIS responsibility, not that of other people.

[gordon1]

i doubt that video is all about geogre bush. i am uneducated on the skin color and looking of iraqi people but they looked more chineese to me. i went to cambodia because my sister is from there and i see people walking around there all the time. its not because as somebody said george bush is a bully but its because the are poor. so no i dont think he should be on trial for war crimes[/quote]

[eynon]

Moath wrote: Good point, Eynon, old sport.

But think about it this way: Bush is in charge of everything... isn't he?

He even claimed recently that the Iraq war was HIS responsibility, not that of other people.

he did huh? :think: well I guess if you could claim that the invasion itself was a war-crime you may get some-where......but think about Molosovic in Serbia, his boys did way worse stuff in Bosnia and Croatia, but they're having a hard time nailing him on anything.

Nope, go for Rummie, he's your best bet....plus he's a civilian so Americans won't get that pissed off when he goes down. We love our troops, but hate civilians with dreams of being Napoleon.

[Saracen]

Nope, go for Rummie, he's your best bet....plus he's a civilian so Americans won't get that pissed off when he goes down. We love our troops, but hate civilians with dreams of being Napoleon.

:lol: Good one. I mean, Tom Franks himself was going to take the stand and face similar charges after the Iraqi war, but the good old US CIVILIANS vetoed the resolution to try Franks for war crimes. Thus, the CIVILIANS are the problem, and therefore Rummie is our best bet.
I see where you're going :-D

i doubt that video is all about geogre bush. i am uneducated on the skin color and looking of iraqi people but they looked more chineese to me. i went to cambodia because my sister is from there and i see people walking around there all the time. its not because as somebody said george bush is a bully but its because the are poor. so no i dont think he should be on trial for war crimes

Are you talking about the first part of the video? :lol:
That was just a recollection of the Vietnam War, my friend. A recollection on the US use of Napalm, a dangerous chemical weapon that burns irreversibly and mercilessly when it comes to contact with living tissue.
White Phosphorus was used by the US Army in this incident as well. I can tell you that the people who died in the attacks you saw in the latter parts of the video are Iraqis, because I am Arab and I already familiarized myself with the various Arab ethnicities and dialects. But those were poor, innocent Iraqi civilians who were burnt to death by this horrid chemical.

Bush is just a puppet. The real instigator of the war crimes, as Eynon pointed out, is "Rummie" Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense. I'd like to see him face charges. Plus, he actually met Saddam Hussein. Twice. And what did he do? He talked guns with the dictator and even sold him weapons. So, definitely, Rummie Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes.