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OK, here's the deal.
The word itself is not used in the bible (or Talmud) exactly like that.
The link you have above clearly concedes (or grants) that forms of the word, like YeHOshua mean words to the effect of salvation.
But to ask, 'What does Yeshua' really mean is like asking a false question.
I consulted the penultimate sourse for ancient Hebrew and Aramaic words, 'The Jastrow' and the word, exactly as that, does not exist.
But that don't mean it isn't a legit word, (double negative meaning it very well could be legit), rather, in Hebrew, variants are very common usage.
Remember, the language is very old.
Take for example, English.
Bat (as in baseball)
So, what does, 'Bats' mean?
Well, it's got that extra 's', so is it a different word?
No, the extra 's' does not take away from the root, 'bat'.
Oh, wait! This time the first letter is a 'small' b.
Oh, pardon me, that, in this case, does not matter (it isn't a proper name).
What about 'batting'? That's VERY different.
Well, yes and no. The root is the same, and so on.
Batted (as in batted the ball)
Bat Boy, etc.
Yeshua is close enough so that if someone wants to make the case that it means salvation, well, even the link above grants that.
In Hebrew, we go by the three letter root word to zero in on the meaning of the word.
This word, Yeshua, is slightly problematic because it only has two root letters.
There is a scholarly debate in Hebrew whether words have three root letters, or sometimes just two.
For those scholars who think that all Hebrew words have three root letters, then when we only see two 'consonants' (not really consonants, but rather letters which are typically root letters, yud, hay, vov are frequently NOT root letters, being used, in many / most instances, as action indicators, command indicators, for instance the yud at the beggining of a word can be like a command indicator (Go do this) and at the end of a word can indicate possession, as in (my house) so if a word like Yeshua has a bunch of these, which it does, then the root letters are probably just the shen and the ayin.
Oh, for those scholars who think that all Hebrew words have three root letters, then all of those such scholars would simply say that a word like Yeshua (of which there are a huge number of such words) these are simply missing one of the three root letters.
The other side of the fence the scholars simply say that some words have just two root letters.
Nobody thinks that Yeshua has three root letters as that, that's one reason the link above tries to deal with variants, like YeHOshua where the hay is added for consideration.
Yeshua is not a biblical name, nor is the Moshiac ever said to be called, 'Yeshua', nor is 'Yeshua' one of the names of God, although many many Jewish names are, (like Elisha, and probably a hundred other names in the Bible which contain 'God' in them. For instance, all three of my sons have 'God' in them. Hezekiah, simply means 'God's strength' and I don't know anyone who thinks he is God.
I hope that Messianics are not using the word, 'Yeshua', as a proof of anything.
The Moshiac could just as easily be 'Bob the Builder' so long as he brings about the peace and resurrection of all those who have died.
(Lazarus died again, prompting the question, 'Why can't we get two shots at salvation?' Christians say that once you die, God must torture you forever, if you don't have Christ.' Really? Why did that rule not apply to Lazarus? And if a compassionate God can make an exception once, why wouldn't our loving Father do it for the rest of us? Isaiah 55 seems to argue that God WOULD give us a second change. It argues clearly that God does not want us to be punished. I'll bet God has the ability to do whatever He wants.)
That's the key ID, who's conducting those miracles.
We don't have a huge debate about who is the Queen of England.
Just ask who's living in Buckingham Palace.
We don't have a huge debate about who is the President of Mexico.
There isn't any need to debate about who is the Moshiac.
Jesus could be the Moshiac.
But he aint at the moment, not yet.
Because he hasn't done the jobs of the Moshiac, not all the world knows God, some still need to be taught.
It's kind of like, who is the 'Ressurector of All the Dead'.
Well, nobody is. Not yet.
Otherwise I'd cancel my life-insurance. |
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