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The Redcoat
Joined: 22 Aug 2005
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Location: Hampshire, England
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:23 am Post subject: Could Wales survive? |
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On it's own. I understand there is a lot of investment from Japanese companies in particular there, but if Wales was to secede from the UK and enter the EU as it's own nation, what would happen? Could it stay afloat?
Of course, we're talking hypothetically here. What do any toffs out there think about this.
This thread was inspired by a post in some other thread about ditching the UK and Wales joining the EU alone. |
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JDnCoke
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Location: Oxford, Queen's
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I see no problem with it, if Wales wants to cede whether or not people can think it can prosper is fine. I'm sure they'd join Ireland and Scotland in some Celtic Alliance anyway. |
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HarmonyOnTheRight
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Location: Heart of the Metropolis
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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What is so powerfully distinctively different for Welsh people to become an independent country?
In a time when countries are beginning to pool resources to combat terror and commerces which no longer recognise national boundaries, for a place like Wales to become an independent nation is such a triviality.
Plaid Cymru can't even agree whether they want independence or further home-rule powers.
Like Cornwall, these sentiments are based on a nasty mix of romanticism and folklore tradition.
It might wise to acknowledge that in the last couple of years, Plaid Cymru has lost seats in Parliament, the Assembly and councils. |
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JDnCoke
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| While I don't disagree that self-determination may not always be the most rational or efficient idea, why not? I honestly have no bones, because if Wales did become a fully fledged nation, very little would change, since the current system just works. |
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thundertaker
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
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| The question isn't whether wales would 'survive' independence. I doubt it would collapse entirely, but whether the people of Wales would be better off. As it stands at the moment, most Welshmen do not believe it would, either because they still feel British, or because like Plaid Cymru, they grudgingly acknowledge that they are better off within the United Kingdom.......... |
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Windy
Joined: 17 Jan 2004
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Location: Wolverhampton
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| Within the EU I'm sure they could, however most of their industry is based in South Wales because of the M4 and links with London, if they were a seperate country I'm not sure it would continue. |
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The Councillor
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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There was a Candaian academic who wrote a powerful book about the economic and constitutional implications of Quebec leaving the Canadian Federation.
He quite eloquantly illustrated the problems with it including, will Quebec be as willing to take its share of the debts it has shared with the nation ans well as the resources.
Can't remember who wrote it |
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