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[Freedom_Of_Speech]

Whites 'leaving cities as migrants move in'

Quote: White and ethnic minority communities are becoming increasingly separated by growing levels of population movement and immigration, a report says today.

More white families are moving from London to the regions while many immigrants arrive in the capital from overseas, the think-tank Migrationwatch says.

The change in 10 years has been "extraordinarily rapid'', with 606,000 more people moving out of London than arrived from elsewhere in the country. In the same period, a net 726,000 immigrants arrived in the capital.

Rest of it, http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/02/10/nmig10.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/02/10/ixnewstop.html%3Cbr%20/%3E



What do you think ?

[Pebble]

How many times have you been told about leaving just a source with no comment?

What are you trying to prove?

[Freedom_Of_Speech]

Pebble wrote: How many times have you been told about leaving just a source with no comment?

What are you trying to prove?

What i´m trying to prove ? Tell me what do you think about it ?



That´s realism, not idealism.

[Pebble]

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Pebble wrote: How many times have you been told about leaving just a source with no comment?

What are you trying to prove?

What i´m trying to prove ? Tell me what do you think about it ?



That´s realism, not idealism.

I think this shows the results of counter urbanisation, why? What point are you trying to make with this?

[johnz]

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: What do you think ?

its called cultural theft! if you look at the migration of people over the world you will see a common pattern.

see, their is an imbalance, asian people on the move to the west drastically out number westerners migrating to asia. and it doesnt work!

take bradford, they is more asians in Bradford then any other UK city, you may think that is a good sign of intergration, but no, they havent integrated instead they have pushed the white population out.

because of the cultural differences its impossible for the two to integrate succsefully, just doesnt work and the wests culture is being driven away.

btw im not recist, infact i would be all for asians coming to the west but it doesnt work because they dont adapt to our culture and ways, alot dont even speak englist when they off the plane.

what happens is they bring their own culture and values and create isolation pockets within our society and then expand.

[Windy]

johnz wrote: Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: What do you think ?

its called cultural theft! if you look at the migration of people over the world you will see a common pattern.

see, their is an imbalance, asian people on the move to the west drastically out number westerners migrating to asia. and it doesnt work!

take bradford, they is more asians in Bradford then any other UK city, you may think that is a good sign of intergration, but no, they havent integrated instead they have pushed the white population out.

because of the cultural differences its impossible for the two to integrate succsefully, just doesnt work and the wests culture is being driven away.

btw im not recist, infact i would be all for asians coming to the west but it doesnt work because they dont adapt to our culture and ways, alot dont even speak englist when they off the plane.

what happens is they bring their own culture and values and create isolation pockets within our society and then expand.

For a start your facts are wrong: London, Leicster and Birmingham all have a bigger Asian population than Bradford.

Don't you think most of the racial problems occuring at the moment are due to young Asians taking our culture of drinking, fighting and generally being a wanker that causes problems?

[johnz]

Windy wrote: For a start your facts are wrong: London, Leicster and Birmingham all have a bigger Asian population than Bradford.

yes i know, just testing ya!


Windy wrote: Don't you think most of the racial problems occuring at the moment are due to young Asians taking our culture of drinking, fighting and generally being a wanker that causes problems?

in isolated incidents maybe, like iv told you im not racist, alcohol will get into the hands of people no matter what the skin colour.

i think asians come here for a better life for themselves and they familly, thats fine with me but for it to work successfully they must intergrate more and not be isolationists by wearing distinct asian outfits and speaking asian in the market or shopping centres.

[JDnCoke]

johnz wrote: Windy wrote: For a start your facts are wrong: London, Leicster and Birmingham all have a bigger Asian population than Bradford.

yes i know, just testing ya!


Windy wrote: Don't you think most of the racial problems occuring at the moment are due to young Asians taking our culture of drinking, fighting and generally being a wanker that causes problems?

in isolated incidents maybe, like iv told you im not racist, alcohol will get into the hands of people no matter what the skin colour.

i think asians come here for a better life for themselves and they familly, thats fine with me but for it to work successfully they must intergrate more and not be isolationists by wearing distinct asian outfits and speaking asian in the market or shopping centres.

like iv told you im not racist

Guilty conscience. :wink:

Anyway, when you go on holiday to Spain, do you speak Spanish? Do you wear Sombreros (to any spanish, apologies for the lame stereotype).

[petros latifoli]

JDnCoke wrote: johnz wrote: Windy wrote: For a start your facts are wrong: London, Leicster and Birmingham all have a bigger Asian population than Bradford.

yes i know, just testing ya!


Windy wrote: Don't you think most of the racial problems occuring at the moment are due to young Asians taking our culture of drinking, fighting and generally being a wanker that causes problems?

in isolated incidents maybe, like iv told you im not racist, alcohol will get into the hands of people no matter what the skin colour.

i think asians come here for a better life for themselves and they familly, thats fine with me but for it to work successfully they must intergrate more and not be isolationists by wearing distinct asian outfits and speaking asian in the market or shopping centres.

like iv told you im not racist

Guilty conscience. :wink:

Anyway, when you go on holiday to Spain, do you speak Spanish? Do you wear Sombreros (to any spanish, apologies for the lame stereotype).


dear jdncoke,

u cannot ban people after sending private messages which will give them the right to defend themselves. i dont know what sort of liberalism u have in your mind but i guess its something barely economical. i'm posting my answer right here though i dont know whether it's with odds with the site rules:

Quote: i think u should blame on the people that made humanity be able to access such photos and utilised terror in the name of a "war against terrorism." i dont want to bother u but taking that animation away will not change the situation in iraq and afghanistan, though neither the other way around will. but there are some bulls**t about the "genetical hygiene of the white-race" in some of the signposts which also bothers me however i cannot put myself in a state that i have the right for banning them.

thank u..

[antonio62]

johnz wrote: Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: What do you think ?

its called cultural theft! if you look at the migration of people over the world you will see a common pattern.

see, their is an imbalance, asian people on the move to the west drastically out number westerners migrating to asia. and it doesnt work!

take bradford, they is more asians in Bradford then any other UK city, you may think that is a good sign of intergration, but no, they havent integrated instead they have pushed the white population out.

because of the cultural differences its impossible for the two to integrate succsefully, just doesnt work and the wests culture is being driven away.

btw im not recist, infact i would be all for asians coming to the west but it doesnt work because they dont adapt to our culture and ways, alot dont even speak englist when they off the plane.

what happens is they bring their own culture and values and create isolation pockets within our society and then expand.

People integrate fine as long as there aren't loads of them. When to many people come they don't see the need to learn english because all the people around there speak there language. The real problem in my opinion is that when immigrants are given homes they are always given them in the same place. This leads to 2 rival racial groups.

[Windy]

antonio62 wrote: johnz wrote: Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: What do you think ?

its called cultural theft! if you look at the migration of people over the world you will see a common pattern.

see, their is an imbalance, asian people on the move to the west drastically out number westerners migrating to asia. and it doesnt work!

take bradford, they is more asians in Bradford then any other UK city, you may think that is a good sign of intergration, but no, they havent integrated instead they have pushed the white population out.

because of the cultural differences its impossible for the two to integrate succsefully, just doesnt work and the wests culture is being driven away.

btw im not recist, infact i would be all for asians coming to the west but it doesnt work because they dont adapt to our culture and ways, alot dont even speak englist when they off the plane.

what happens is they bring their own culture and values and create isolation pockets within our society and then expand.

People integrate fine as long as there aren't loads of them. When to many people come they don't see the need to learn english because all the people around there speak there language. The real problem in my opinion is that when immigrants are given homes they are always given them in the same place. This leads to 2 rival racial groups.

Yes but looking at it from the immigrants point of view, you would want to live in an area that, for example, has shops that sell the food you want to eat.
This is part of the reason that immigrant populations tend to live together.

This isn't really a problem unless their are other factors at play, poverty being the biggest one.

[johnz]

JDnCoke wrote: like iv told you im not racist

Guilty conscience. :wink:

Iv had some wonderful times with asian people from past jobs. Nothing in my posts indicates otherwise.

JDnCoke wrote: Anyway, when you go on holiday to Spain, do you speak Spanish? Do you wear Sombreros (to any spanish, apologies for the lame stereotype).

when i go to spain for a holiday thats all it is for! a holiday and not perminent residence, if i was to move there perminently then i would look to learning the language.

[Freedom_Of_Speech]

You see multiculturalism is only that the majority has to "understand" and change their ways. That´s wrong, totally wrong.

Our societys have been build for OUR values, OUR culture, OUR moral etc.

If you choose multiculturism, it won´t be the same(You can see it for example from Mälmö or Ghettos etc, where immigrants are mojority ).

I don´t judge their way of life(it´s how their own societys have been build on), i don´t hate their cultures, lands etc, but i hate this thing called multiculturism.

And you see from here to Whites just can´t live along with immigrants(If we are speaking it by looking the overall view), too different, it´s not racism. :roll:

Analysis: Europe's failed multiculturalism

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041208-053816-2816r.htm[/quote ]

[JDnCoke]

So what exactly is wrong with Asian clothing? I'm not bothered by it, if I was a father I'd be more bothered with some of the short skirts girls wear these days! :lol:

[JDnCoke]

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Our societys have been build for OUR values, OUR culture, OUR moral etc.

What are our values, cultures and morals?

[antonio62]

JDnCoke wrote: Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Our societys have been build for OUR values, OUR culture, OUR moral etc.

What are our values, cultures and morals? #

Yes because my values, morals and culture have been created individually by me so what is this our.

[The Redcoat]

Why would anyone want to live in a city anyway, the countryside is much better =].

[Kenna]

Johnz wrote ; "i think asians come here for a better life for themselves and they familly, thats fine with me but for it to work successfully they must intergrate more and not be isolationists by wearing distinct asian outfits and speaking asian in the market or shopping centres."

:lol:
When Asians come here, they should abandon their traditional clothes and language. Start wearing tracksuits, hoodies and cardigans, and learn to speak like "us does". Well if that isn't racsist, it shows a deep rooted paranoia and simmering level of despising.
Living in an area highly populated by Asians as I do, I can report that it is no different than to most places. It seems that a high level of Asians have successfully integrated into our society, judjing by the numbers of "whites" that fill the streets of the Golden "curry" mile in Rusholme. Or how busy my local takeaway is when we order a delivery of our favourite foods-Indian- every week. Must say I dont see many Asian faces at the Unemployment centre signing on. Maybe they are integrating all too well, and the majority of them work very hard, almost fanatically. Maybe thats why they are all owning property. Maybe they should be allowed at least some time to learn the language, instead of knowing how to say "Posh and Becks", and "God save the Queen" , as they step out of the plane. After all, we English when holidaying in Wales, don't even like the inhabitants to speak their native tongue in our prescence. Tsk, so disrespectfull and arrogant of them!!!
And maybe if you said hello to your Asian neighbours, then they wouldn't seem so isolationalist when they say hello back. You know, it works to be polite. But we white English are not known for our manners. Ever since this country first actively sought out immigrants to come and do our "dirty jobs", the ones no self respecting Englishman ought to do. They have been subjects of physical attacks, verbal insinuations, and "in the face" name calling. No wonder they are sometimes wary of what lies behind our white faces. Maybe those figures quoted as "white" people moving out of London, are the very people who worry that an Asian family on their street, would have an inverse effect to their house prices. Maybe they are the ones who cant integrate, and so move out to find a bit of Englishness out in the sticks. As another poster pointed out, some Asian youth have successfully integrated into our youth yob culture. But hey, they learnt from the best at it.
While we are at odds with people of different skin colours, and the media continually drive home what divides us. It glosses over the fact that all the people in the lower bracket, white, black and asian have more in common, and face the same fight of inequality. Poor is poor in any language, and affects us more in the long run than exactly what colour our faces are.

[Freedom_Of_Speech]

JDnCoke wrote: Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Our societys have been build for OUR values, OUR culture, OUR moral etc.

What are our values, cultures and morals?

Our moral is showed best in our law systems(law systems are pretty same in Europe or have been.), you can compare those by yourself.

Our values and culture,

education, hard working, treament of people or another sex or children, upbringing etc. You will figure more if want to. I can bring you more if you want.

there are of course little differences between the countries in Europe but not that much if compare these to Arabs or Blacks.

Quote: Yes because my values, morals and culture have been created individually by me so what is this our.

Are you even European decent ?

I´m talking about majority, i can´t of course talk individually about everybody.

[JDnCoke]

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Our moral is showed best in our law systems(law systems are pretty same in Europe or have been.), you can compare those by yourself.

We have the same law system as about 1/3 of the planet (common law countries like the US, India, Canada, etc, definately not a 'white' thing), and we have a similar democratic system with a rake of other nations (Japan, Thailand, Brazil), in fact ranked with Switzerland, famous for its direct-democracy is Uruguay...

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Our values and culture,

education, hard working, treament of people or another sex or children, upbringing etc. You will figure more if want to. I can bring you more if you want.

These are universal values! To call them a distinctly "white" thing is tantamount of insanity, they stem out of the fact that without them humanity wouldn't exist!

Tell me more about what you think are our values?

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: there are of course little differences between the countries in Europe but not that much if compare these to Arabs or Blacks.

13 African nations are democratic. I think that's an amazing achievement considering the fact we ('white people') raped their continent and chopped it up!

And what about Condolezza Rice? You're just talking irrational drivel.

What about the Romans, they weren't exactly "white" in the Anglo-Saxon sense I'm sure your signature alludes to, or the Greeks and Egyptians for that matter... And then have China and India, the world's greatest civilisations since they started taking records until the mid 1800s, a title they're only now recovering.

Freedom_Of_Speech wrote: Are you even European decent ?

I´m talking about majority, i can´t of course talk individually about everybody.

That's the problem, our socieities are pluralistic, every one has their individual rights and morals, there is no such thing as a "Majority" when we're talking about these things and your views most certainly do not represent them in anyway.