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Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

as i promised in the political section... i am encouraging everybody to ask about the religion in the middle east, anything....

mcmlv · Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Posts: 75

Good thing too, it is only by asking that we may hope to know and understand. That is what I am trying to do in the other thread, but you abandoned it. Please come back there too, The more I hear the more I will know.

TNBiologist · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 962 Location: Tennessee

I have aquestion I hope you can answer IF you either live in the middle east or were raised there. How is it that some of the middle eastern countries such as United Arab Emmerants is a progressive society while still abiding by islamic law and then countries such as Iran are more militant and isolationist while claiming that they are this way do to islamic law?

MALIK · Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 132

TNBiologist wrote: I have aquestion I hope you can answer IF you either live in the middle east or were raised there. How is it that some of the middle eastern countries such as United Arab Emmerants is a progressive society while still abiding by islamic law and then countries such as Iran are more militant and isolationist while claiming that they are this way do to islamic law?

Maybe because Iranian regimes usually choose to be oppressive.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

TNBiologist wrote: I have aquestion I hope you can answer IF you either live in the middle east or were raised there. How is it that some of the middle eastern countries such as United Arab Emmerants is a progressive society while still abiding by islamic law and then countries such as Iran are more militant and isolationist while claiming that they are this way do to islamic law?

have you been to the UAE? (a side question)

islam is an easy going religion with several straight forward restrictions that many people tend to complicate such as the iranian people!

islandhopper · Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: 10,000 Islands

Muslima, I welcome your invitation as this is a topic we can all learn more about. You didn't answer the first question, so I am not going to be optimistic when asking this question: Is there anything written in the Koran that states that Islam must be the foundation of a ruling government? Or a statement similar to this? I wonder about this because I see middle east countries ruled by dictatorships who impose "Islamic rule". I would really like to know, I am not asking this to put you on the defense.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

islandhopper wrote: Muslima, I welcome your invitation as this is a topic we can all learn more about. You didn't answer the first question, so I am not going to be optimistic when asking this question: Is there anything written in the Koran that states that Islam must be the foundation of a ruling government? Or a statement similar to this? I wonder about this because I see middle east countries ruled by dictatorships who impose "Islamic rule". I would really like to know, I am not asking this to put you on the defense.

there are no direct statements yet there are some statements that hint or show some ways for having the best government, actually islam encourages sharing opinions and voting.......the prophet never did something without sharing it with his friends and the people around him.....

islandhopper · Joined: 16 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: 10,000 Islands

Muslima wrote: islandhopper wrote: Muslima, I welcome your invitation as this is a topic we can all learn more about. You didn't answer the first question, so I am not going to be optimistic when asking this question: Is there anything written in the Koran that states that Islam must be the foundation of a ruling government? Or a statement similar to this? I wonder about this because I see middle east countries ruled by dictatorships who impose "Islamic rule". I would really like to know, I am not asking this to put you on the defense.

there are no direct statements yet there are some statements that hint or show some ways for having the best government, actually islam encourages sharing opinions and voting.......the prophet never did something without sharing it with his friends and the people around him.....

Do you think that the actions of these governments that are based on Islam are justifiable? Is it justifiable to keep certain rights from women for instance (like driving a car or leaving her home without proper dress)? And is it justifiable to execute homosexuals? (Just a couple examples) I want to know at what point a normal muslim citizen says "Enough already!"

Using a religion to impose a dictatorship is wrong. Do you agree or disagree?

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

some them are justifiable, no it is not justifiable to keep certain reights from women but it is justifiable to make us cover up according to the islamic law not their law........execution doesnt always happen, in my country homosexuals are considered sick people and are sent to therapy, well we muslims don't interfere with things that don't concern us, for example, in my country the government doesnt forbid women to drive but some parents forbid their daughters from driving so it is uo them they are their daughters.....if we cant influence or change something we dont interfere.......

for the last statement.... i agree

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: homosexuals are considered sick people and are sent to therapy, well we muslims don't interfere with things that don't concern us,

I assume that homosexuality is banned then? If so, then how is what happens in another's bedroom any concern of yours?

pharaoh · Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

Robin Hood wrote: Quote: homosexuals are considered sick people and are sent to therapy, well we muslims don't interfere with things that don't concern us,

I assume that homosexuality is banned then? If so, then how is what happens in another's bedroom any concern of yours?

Yes you can say that homosexuality is banned.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

Robin Hood wrote: Quote: homosexuals are considered sick people and are sent to therapy, well we muslims don't interfere with things that don't concern us,

I assume that homosexuality is banned then? If so, then how is what happens in another's bedroom any concern of yours?

well if things are to influence in a bad way so we have the right to not let it happen

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Muslima wrote: Robin Hood wrote: Quote: homosexuals are considered sick people and are sent to therapy, well we muslims don't interfere with things that don't concern us,

I assume that homosexuality is banned then? If so, then how is what happens in another's bedroom any concern of yours?

well if things are to influence in a bad way so we have the right to not let it happen

No you have the right not to do such things yourself, you are trying to justify interference in people's bedrooms, how does what someone else choose to do concern you? Do you think Allah judges people on their neighbours mistakes?

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

of course not, but as i said clearly

if it is an issue that could spoil other people or lead them to the wrong path well i think everybody has the right to stop it or judge, it is the same thing when people sue each other for health purposes or so in the US and other countries

it is FREEDOM, as you all claim

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Quote: if it is an issue that could spoil other people or lead them to the wrong path well i think everybody has the right to stop it

Do you believe it is ok for people or the state to murder, steal from, rape or fraud anyone who has not done these things themselves.

Muslima · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1634

Robin Hood wrote: Quote: if it is an issue that could spoil other people or lead them to the wrong path well i think everybody has the right to stop it

Do you believe it is ok for people or the state to murder, steal from, rape or fraud anyone who has not done these things themselves.

of course not, what do you veiw me? a killer?
people who cause the trouble should be punished if punishing is the right thing

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

So what would you have done to be people who say 'the Quran is a book of fairy tales'?

pharaoh · Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:23 am Post subject:

Robin Hood wrote: So what would you have done to be people who say 'the Quran is a book of fairy tales'?

Can I join into the conversation?

Robin Hood · Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 3295

Sure...

pharaoh · Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:55 am Post subject:

Robin Hood wrote: So what would you have done to be people who say 'the Quran is a book of fairy tales'?

Ofcourse many muslims get hot tempered when they hear someone bashing their beloved religion. Muslims, in general, are very attached to their religion and, unfortunately, nowadays with all the chaos that exist, alot of them in poor countries tend to express themselves in a rather wrong way. However, know that there is nothing in the Koran that commands muslims to "punish" in any sort of way those who attack Islam. Kuraish used to insult prophet Muhammed in various ways whenever they saw him but prophet Muhammed did not retaliate. The thing is that we, muslims, have a message and we want to deliver it. That is one of the major goals for every muslims, however, most muslims nowadays do not do that due to various reasons related to the state of backwardness that they have become because of long years under corrupt dictatorship rule in most, if not all, muslim countries.