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Israel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: Question. |
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Mailech wrote: They performed sacrifices for those actions that they did improperly. They did Teshuva, returning to G-d. The good actions act as a credit and the bad as a deficit, but if you do Teshuva then the bad actions are wiped away. And some say they even go to a credit. Because the place where a Returner to G-d stands a completely righteous person cannot stand.
Could this be part of the reason Adam chose to eat from the tree of knowledge? In his wisdom, he foresaw that there were two possibilities for men. Adam could wait 3 hours to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil when it would be kashrut to do so and live forever, or he could eat from it, so he could do Chuva and reach a higher level of being? |
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John
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Question. |
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Israel wrote: Mailech wrote: They performed sacrifices for those actions that they did improperly. They did Teshuva, returning to G-d. The good actions act as a credit and the bad as a deficit, but if you do Teshuva then the bad actions are wiped away. And some say they even go to a credit. Because the place where a Returner to G-d stands a completely righteous person cannot stand.
Could this be part of the reason Adam chose to eat from the tree of knowledge? In his wisdom, he foresaw that there were two possibilities for men. Adam could wait 3 hours to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil when it would be kashrut to do so and live forever, or he could eat from it, so he could do Chuva and reach a higher level of being?
Or he did it because he loved his wife (Eve) more than God. She did it because she was tricked. |
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Israel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Question. |
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John wrote: Israel wrote: Mailech wrote: They performed sacrifices for those actions that they did improperly. They did Teshuva, returning to G-d. The good actions act as a credit and the bad as a deficit, but if you do Teshuva then the bad actions are wiped away. And some say they even go to a credit. Because the place where a Returner to G-d stands a completely righteous person cannot stand.
Could this be part of the reason Adam chose to eat from the tree of knowledge? In his wisdom, he foresaw that there were two possibilities for men. Adam could wait 3 hours to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil when it would be kashrut to do so and live forever, or he could eat from it, so he could do Chuva and reach a higher level of being?
Or he did it because he loved his wife (Eve) more than God. She did it because she was tricked.
Thanks for your input...
Anyways, Duchifas/Mailech what do you think? |
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Mailech
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Question. |
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Israel wrote: Mailech wrote: They performed sacrifices for those actions that they did improperly. They did Teshuva, returning to G-d. The good actions act as a credit and the bad as a deficit, but if you do Teshuva then the bad actions are wiped away. And some say they even go to a credit. Because the place where a Returner to G-d stands a completely righteous person cannot stand.
Could this be part of the reason Adam chose to eat from the tree of knowledge? In his wisdom, he foresaw that there were two possibilities for men. Adam could wait 3 hours to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil when it would be kashrut to do so and live forever, or he could eat from it, so he could do Chuva and reach a higher level of being?
I am not sure, in part because this is the first time that I heard of this eating would be OK after sunset, altough it is interesting.
I did one time hear, and don't quite me on this, that Adam thought that if he ate from the tree of knowledge, and internalized the Evil Inclination, then it would be that much harder to follow G-d, and therefore could reach a higher level, by actually following G-d, which is similiar to your idea.
Of course he missed the point that you shouldn't be more righteous than G-d, if G-d tells you not to do something, you shouldn't think you know better. Like Shlomo |
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Israel
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Question. |
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Mailech wrote: I am not sure, in part because this is the first time that I heard of this eating would be OK after sunset, altough it is interesting.
Well, Adam was created eriv Shabbas, if he had waited 3 hours it would have been Shabbas and all things, including the tree would have been elevated.
That was my understanding. |
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cap'n queasy
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Quote: Of course he missed the point that you shouldn't be more righteous than G-d
How is that even possible? I don't see how someone can be more righteous than God. |
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Mailech
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Of course he missed the point that you shouldn't be more righteous than G-d
How is that even possible? I don't see how someone can be more righteous than God.
Obviously cap'n, it is a phrase. |
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