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PricklySponge
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Red Flag wrote: Wow he didn't even get a warning, im glad that the Admins feel the need to pity the handicapped on P.C. :lol: meh, I dont think the admins know this forum exists :shifty: |
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JDnCoke
Joined: 07 Mar 2005
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Location: Oxford, Queen's
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Devaka wrote: Libertarians are pro-capitalist, "free market" economics; they are on the right-wing in terms of economics. They are socially libertarian, yes, but economically they are right-wing. Republicans are right-wing too ("free market", etc.), but they differ from the Libertarians in that they're socially conservative.
Communists are left-wing (duh), in that they support collectivism. Anarchists are left-wing too, but they support voluntary collectivism and are against the state. Democrats are moderate left-wingers (well, for the most part) in that they support Keynesian economics with social programs, although some Democrats are more socialistic.
Basically right-wing and left-wing is defined by economics. "Top" (Authoritarianism) and "Bottom" (Libertarianism) must also be discussed too, but Libertarians aren't "above" or "excluded" from the political spectrum. Go to politicalcompass.org for a more detailed explanation.
Classical Liberals (American English: Liberatarians) are the original left, what is commonly abused today as small-L liberals are just watered down socialists. |
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Kalu
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JDnCoke wrote: Classical Liberals (American English: Liberatarians) are the original left, what is commonly abused today as small-L liberals are just watered down socialists.
The original libertarians were downright socialist (see here). Of course, I was using the term Libertarian in the context of how it's used today; the US Libertarian Party, which supports laissez-faire capitalism. The modern liberals today support, to some extent, a welfare state and less government intervention in a person's individual life (for the most part; and of course I'm excluding government intervention in economic affairs), but I wouldn't call them watered-down socialists. For the most part, they support the current system, albeit with social democratic aspects.
Red Flag, please don't incite Don Quixote. Let him do as he wants without harassment, he's none of our concern. |
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Enemy of Masters
Joined: 19 Jan 2006
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Location: The globalized capitalist world
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| I think it would be helpful to distinguish between socialists and radicals (anarchists) by giving them separate headquarters. Anarchism, even anarcho-communism, is extremely different from state socialism. |
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Kt
Joined: 23 Jan 2006
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| Give me one good reason why I should leave Radical HQ and join a Socialist HQ? I am happy with Radical HQ, and I don't want to be in an HQ with < 3 members. |
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Hecatomb
Joined: 23 Feb 2006
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I have nothing wrong with the green's stance on enviormental regulations, being socialist myself..
I do however have a big problem with thier "let people do whatever" philsophy, considering it was that mind-set that screwedup our eco-system in the first place.. So i'm going to say no.. |
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Ch33kY
Joined: 21 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Socialism? Green Socialism? |
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poweRob wrote: Don Quixote wrote: What do you guys think? Perhaps we could even make a subforum in the Green HQ for Green Socialism or perhaps all socialists could merge with the Greens?
I'm full on opposed to this.
Me too.
Perhaps we could add a 'Social Democrats' party - not to be confused with the American Democrats. |
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