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eynon · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Would you guys call these beings Djinn?

http://deoxy.org/h_secret.htm

oh dude! you'd love Welsh mythology... http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/wfb/

:-D

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Eynon81 wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Would you guys call these beings Djinn?

http://deoxy.org/h_secret.htm

oh dude! you'd love Welsh mythology... http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/wfb/

:-D

Yeah, I was reading a bit about the Highland fairy folk written by a minister named Robert Kirk in the 1600's when I got to thinking about some of the the similarities between the Sidhe or Sith, Djinn, and the Genii Loci of the Romans etc. I think they are the same thing.

That's exactly what got me started on this thread. :lol:

I haven't read many of the Welsh legends yet, though I know they are closely related to those of the Scots and the Irish. I am very fond of those tales.

Thanks! This looks very interesting. You can check out Kirk's books on the same site. They're pretty wild stuff, I'm sure you would appreciate them.

Our modern conception of fairies is not exactly correct. :lol: Cool stuff.

pharaoh · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject:

I watched the exorcism of Emily rose a few days ago. Have you seen it yet Cap'n queasy?

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

No, I haven't. Was it good?

pharaoh · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:25 am Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: No, I haven't. Was it good?

Yeah it was good. It was also tense, I was sitting at the edge of my seat most of the movie. Supposedly its a true story, I wanted to talk to you about it but since you didnt watch it yet I wont spoil it for you.
If you are into horror movies then maybe you should go and see it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Since you recommend it, I probably will. :-D Sounds cool, I love horror movies, and this is one horrifying subject!

pharaoh · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:01 pm Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Since you recommend it, I probably will. :-D Sounds cool, I love horror movies, and this is one horrifying subject!

Cool :)
Btw, what are your favourite horror movies? I like the faculty, Scream 1, Alien 3... I think these are my favorites or the good ones that I can remember right now.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

I'm old school.

The Exorcist, of course. "The Shining", "Phantasm", "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", "Psycho", "The Thing" are some classics among my of my favorites. "Seven" for newer movies

The first Alien and the first Halloween were great but the sequals are only ok IMHO.

Another recent one that was kinda low-budget but I thought was pretty cool is "The Cube". And "The Saw" was pretty gruesome too.

pharaoh · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:

Old school is cool, but I think I wasnt alive at the time. :-D
I wanna see 'saw', alot of people spoke highly of it.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

pharaoh wrote: Old school is cool, but I think I wasnt alive at the time. :-D
I wanna see 'saw', alot of people spoke highly of it.

It's terrifying.

John · Joined: 02 Jun 2004 Posts: 24196

pharaoh wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: No, I haven't. Was it good?

Yeah it was good. It was also tense, I was sitting at the edge of my seat most of the movie. Supposedly its a true story, I wanted to talk to you about it but since you didnt watch it yet I wont spoil it for you.
If you are into horror movies then maybe you should go and see it.

I saw it the other day. I thought it was pretty good too. I'll wait for Cap'n to see it before I say too much though.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16385 Location: On Earth

Assuming that everyone watched "The Exorcism of Emily Rose", even though I didn't, a friend of mine told me about it. He mentioned that this 19-year-old girl wasn't really possessed, but there was something else about this issue: that she was somewhat mentally ill, or she was actually suffering from some sort of electromagnetic force that changed the way her brain perceived things (I know it sounds bizarre). What's your take on it? :?

Showboat · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

Ok. In Islam people can get possesed by evil Jinn, and in Christianity people can get possessed by demons? Am I right so far? I assume Muslims consider possessed Christians to be possessed by Jinn not demons and Christians assume vice versa. For a start if these statements are correct and possession is real then surely demons and evil Jinn are the same thing with different names. "whats in a name? would a rose...blah blah blah" So if Catholic priests can exercise demons and Muslim religious leaders get rid of evil Jinn (is this documented?) aren't both religions doing something right?

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16385 Location: On Earth

Showboat wrote: Ok. In Islam people can get possesed by evil Jinn, and in Christianity people can get possessed by demons? Am I right so far? I assume Muslims consider possessed Christians to be possessed by Jinn not demons and Christians assume vice versa. For a start if these statements are correct and possession is real then surely demons and evil Jinn are the same thing with different names. "whats in a name? would a rose...blah blah blah" So if Catholic priests can exercise demons and Muslim religious leaders get rid of evil Jinn (is this documented?) aren't both religions doing something right?

Well, to begin with, Showboat, there is a lot of controversy claiming that Jinn can possess human beings to begin with. As pharaoh pointed out earlier, many of these cases turn out to be hallucinations, sudden mental disorders, or the such. However, documented cases claiming experience of sheiks exorcising human beings from Jinn seem to show otherwise. The controversy arises in that Jinn do not harm human beings to begin with. But I really am not that much into this topic... What do you say, pharaoh?

pharaoh · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject:

Oh well Im not so sure either. Right now I dont believe in the ability of Jinns to posses humans although Im quite aware I could be wrong. I just need an authentic hadith about this issue to form an opinion.
I just put in mind that we as muslims are taught that Jinns are afraid of us as we are afraid of them, and they are living in their own "dimension" and we are living in ours, and we can not interact with them without the use of magic, which is ofcourse forbidden.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Most cases of demonic possession come from toying around with the occult ie "magic".

I believe they are hyper-dimensional beings, as well.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16385 Location: On Earth

pharaoh wrote: Oh well Im not so sure either. Right now I dont believe in the ability of Jinns to posses humans although Im quite aware I could be wrong. I just need an authentic hadith about this issue to form an opinion.
I just put in mind that we as muslims are taught that Jinns are afraid of us as we are afraid of them, and they are living in their own "dimension" and we are living in ours, and we can not interact with them without the use of magic, which is ofcourse forbidden.

Akeed...
But what's more interesting is that animals can see Jinn, but this needs a hadith as well, most likely, for backup. And then you've got these "stories" about black cats and black crows being jinn, which doesn't make anymore sense. I'm not ready to believe anything either, until I have concrete proof of that thing coming up.
But speaking of Jinn manifesting, have you heard about this: if someone was bad enough as to desecrate religious text (Koran, for example) and blaspheme heavily against Islam, would an evil jinn appear in service for that person in human form? :?
Man, I gotta stop reading those wild chain mails... but that's just me. :lol:

pharaoh · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject:

Moath wrote: pharaoh wrote: Oh well Im not so sure either. Right now I dont believe in the ability of Jinns to posses humans although Im quite aware I could be wrong. I just need an authentic hadith about this issue to form an opinion.
I just put in mind that we as muslims are taught that Jinns are afraid of us as we are afraid of them, and they are living in their own "dimension" and we are living in ours, and we can not interact with them without the use of magic, which is ofcourse forbidden.

Akeed...
But what's more interesting is that animals can see Jinn, but this needs a hadith as well, most likely, for backup. And then you've got these "stories" about black cats and black crows being jinn, which doesn't make anymore sense. I'm not ready to believe anything either, until I have concrete proof of that thing coming up.
But speaking of Jinn manifesting, have you heard about this: if someone was bad enough as to desecrate religious text (Koran, for example) and blaspheme heavily against Islam, would an evil jinn appear in service for that person in human form? :?
Man, I gotta stop reading those wild chain mails... but that's just me. :lol:

Yeah in the end it will leave you more confused than ever. Thats why I dont read much about super natural stuff, it will just leave you no where, you will gain nothing, you will be just more confused and maybe even a bit afraid.
I dont know much about the ability of animals to see the Jinn...but I kinda think that they can. You know I have this theory about animals :-D (here I go), I think that animals are the best actors ever! I think they understand everything! I think they understand every word we say but they are commanded to not show it. I even believe that maybe some weird things ( to us) may happen in a region uninhabited by humans. Just think of it that way, animals were created to sort of helping us live our lives, so what happens when animals live alone? I think that they just disappear or something or even do things that we are not meant to see. Its just a theory no more than that.

I dont know about Jinn manifestation either. But arent even devils forbidden from manifesting to us? If thats so then I just think it would be "harder" for Jinns to manifest.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Interesting.

pharaoh · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject:

cap'n queasy wrote: Interesting.

About what?