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HarmonyOnTheRight · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:11 pm Post subject:

You pose an interesting muse, although I am not convinced if it is practicable nor am I convinced that the 16 realms would want it, particularly when places like Oz and Barbados actively want to ditch Her Majesty.

On the whole the citizens of many of our commonwealth cousins get a fair crack at emigrating to the UK anyway. Not sure what they get out of it.

Nice idea though.

I t would be better to make the Commonwealth itself something more functional and if the commonwealth could kick out South Africa during Apartheid but not Zimbabwe under Mugabe, all is lost

The Redcoat · Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 411 Location: Hampshire, England

Chymical wrote: I'm up for it, lets see if we can get the 'Empire' right second time around...

Tally-ho!~here~we~go!

What was wrong with it before?

Kal'thzar · Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 461 Location: Scotland

Colonies not being economically viable?

maxtsu · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 1854 Location: European Union

thundertaker wrote: Quote:
What the hell does that have to do with the price of pie?

Just trying to clarify the fact that you are neither British, nor a Commonwealth citizen. Not that I'm saying that you have no right to express an opinion here, only that as the original poster's question is aimed at Britons and Commonwealth citizens, yours is not nearly as relevent.....

That does not make JdNCokes opinion/input irrelevant.

Anyways..I have no British connection. Are you saying that my input/opinion on this subject is irrelevant?
Because if it interested me (but it does not) I will add my opinion.
Regardless of the fact that I have no British connection.
And if my argument is a good one, you, or others, may have to engage in debate with me.

Geez..and people call the French arrogant.

maxtsu · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 1854 Location: European Union

The Canadian wrote: The re-unification of the former British Empire into a Federal Commonwealth controlled by a central government? Either in Londeon or another one of the Commonwealth countries.

Free trade would make the commonwealth countries wealthy, our military and economic potential would be astounding and better yet, it would be the true begining of the end for American power.

Thoughts or comments from our British members?

This article seems relevant to this discussion:-

We've outgrown Commonwealth
Quote: WHEN John Howard and his fellow Commonwealth leaders gather in the Maltese capital of Valletta this week, they have one basic question to answer: what the hell are we doing here?

The Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting that brings together 53 disparate states every two years has become irrelevant on the world stage. It lacks the clout of other regional groupings and should give serious thought to winding back the role of its expensive London-based secretariat. Like the Commonwealth Games, it is a cheap imitation of more celebrated and better credentialled global meetings. It is a throwback to a glorious colonial past that now lacks heft.

Basically the article points out that geopolitical pacts are more important, and have clout. And in Australias case is APEC.

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7596 Location: Manchestar, innit

This all sounds very silly. You expect all these countries to hand power back over to London?

Have you seen how much work MPs generate for themselves just running a little country? Please don't let them loose on a formal empire.

Kal'thzar · Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 461 Location: Scotland

Err i thought they meant federalising it so that each had an equal say in matters.

(equal to population or some other vairable?)

I'm pretty sure they were not going to go and give power to London.

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:

Kal'thzar wrote: Err i thought they meant federalising it so that each had an equal say in matters.

(equal to population or some other vairable?)

I'm pretty sure they were not going to go and give power to London.

Meh, it's pretty pointless I suppose. Do Most Canadians, Australians, Brits etc feel an instinctive affinity for their fellow commonwealthers? Probably not as much as 50-60 years ago.......

Kal'thzar · Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 461 Location: Scotland

whatever makes my living standards better. ;)

The Redcoat · Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 411 Location: Hampshire, England

Raj wrote: JDnCoke wrote: Raj wrote: JDnCoke wrote: I believe we should split England in half, the North can join this AngloNation while the South, Wales and Scotland can carry on as the United Kingdom and intergrate into the EU. I think our GDP will probably increase.

Pff take Southern England and Scotland into Europe if you wnat...but leave Wales true and free!(preferably with a true and free United kingdom)

Wales is very pro-European. They'll probably cede from this 'United' Kingdom when Scotland does to join the EU as a seperate nation anyway.

Yes I'm aware of Welsh opinions...I am Welsh.

Not something I would go around advertising. :lol: :wink:

strahl_berlin05 · Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 88 Location: Berlin

Federal Commonwealth? Are you serious? :lol:
Empire days are long gone thank goodness!

UK is were it belongs already, in the EU! The natural home.

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject:

strahl_berlin05 wrote: Federal Commonwealth? Are you serious? :lol:
Empire days are long gone thank goodness!

UK is were it belongs already, in the EU! The natural home.

Why is the EU our natural home? Don't we have more in common with countries with whom we share a common ancestry with politically, culturally and in terms of family ties?

maxtsu · Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 1854 Location: European Union

thundertaker wrote: strahl_berlin05 wrote: Federal Commonwealth? Are you serious? :lol:
Empire days are long gone thank goodness!

UK is were it belongs already, in the EU! The natural home.

Why is the EU our natural home? Don't we have more in common with countries with whom we share a common ancestry with politically, culturally and in terms of family ties?
Do not know about calling it 'home'.
But the natural partners are always your geographical neighbors.
Whether you like them or not.

And Australia is now starting to understand that geopolitical structures are more important then groupings like the Commonwealth Old Boys club.
eg APEC group has clout. And of course Australia does most of its trade with Asia.

So what does this mean to the UK...
Not surprising, the UK does most trade internally in the EU.
So, lump it, or leave it. Relationships with the EU are the most important to the UK.

And the EU has bigger clout then just UK alone on international stage.
eg. Take a look at the current trade negotiations between EU-US. No way the UK would have being able to negotiate the current deal.

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: Why is the EU our natural home? Don't we have more in common with countries with whom we share a common ancestry with politically, culturally and in terms of family ties?

Brits are a mixed stock of French and Germanic peoples, with a dash of Celtic and Latin influences, doesn't that mean we have more in common then?

It works both ways.

Kal'thzar · Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 461 Location: Scotland

repeat best result for me or us.

thundertaker · Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:50 pm Post subject:

JDnCoke wrote: thundertaker wrote: Why is the EU our natural home? Don't we have more in common with countries with whom we share a common ancestry with politically, culturally and in terms of family ties?

Brits are a mixed stock of French and Germanic peoples, with a dash of Celtic and Latin influences, doesn't that mean we have more in common then?

It works both ways.

Actually, Germanic and French invaders made little genetic impact on the population of Britain:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene_2.html

True, we inhereted certain cultural influences from the continentals, but essentially we have far more in common with our commonwealth bretheren than we do with the continent, although it would be fair to describe the continentals as our cousins, whereas the Australians and Canadians are our siblings.........

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: JDnCoke wrote: thundertaker wrote: Why is the EU our natural home? Don't we have more in common with countries with whom we share a common ancestry with politically, culturally and in terms of family ties?

Brits are a mixed stock of French and Germanic peoples, with a dash of Celtic and Latin influences, doesn't that mean we have more in common then?

It works both ways.

Actually, Germanic and French invaders made little genetic impact on the population of Britain:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene_2.html

True, we inhereted certain cultural influences from the continentals, but essentially we have far more in common with our commonwealth bretheren than we do with the continent, although it would be fair to describe the continentals as our cousins, whereas the Australians and Canadians are our siblings.........

"Probably what we're dealing with is a majority of British people who were dominated politically by a new elite," Miles said. "They were swamped culturally but not genetically."

I get on with my cousins far better than my sister. :lol:

thundertaker · Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject:

Quote: "Probably what we're dealing with is a majority of British people who were dominated politically by a new elite," Miles said. "They were swamped culturally but not genetically."

Yep, yet more evidence that the history of Britain is one of constant struggle against attempts from the continentals to dominate us and impose their ways upon us. :twisted:

Quote: I get on with my cousins far better than my sister

Well, you can speak for yourself. My cousins suck big hairy balls (on my father's side anyway) so perhaps that would explain why we should have different views?

Achilles The Myrmidon · Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 4415 Location: Hellas

When you say Commonwealth countries i hope you dont meann all the Commonwealth countries but just the Anglophone nations.I am from Cyprus who is a Commonwealth countrie and i would prefer to die that see the bloody English back...

thundertaker · Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject:

Achilles The Myrmidon wrote: When you say Commonwealth countries i hope you dont meann all the Commonwealth countries but just the Anglophone nations.I am from Cyprus who is a Commonwealth countrie and i would prefer to die that see the bloody English back...

Don't we still have several large military bases in Cyprus that supply pissed-up squaddies to come in and wreck the place on drunken rampages when they're off duty? We never really left....... :lol: