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The Canadian · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Banff, Alberta

The re-unification of the former British Empire into a Federal Commonwealth controlled by a central government? Either in Londeon or another one of the Commonwealth countries.

Free trade would make the commonwealth countries wealthy, our military and economic potential would be astounding and better yet, it would be the true begining of the end for American power.

Thoughts or comments from our British members?

Raj · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 8

Hey Tempest old boy!

Okay i'm a memeber of the same society as Tempest here...but just to clarify its not the former Empire we want to unify par se...rather its the 16 realms of HM the Queen we want to federate into a union.

Everything else Tempest says is true! The Anglo-Cletic world needs the union to survive! America needs a strong ally which the Federal Commonwelath would be...but also when American glory starts to fade (all things must come to an end) I wnat a good democratic, english-speaking power to take the mantle that British and American efforts have kept in the hands of Anglo-Cletic civilisation for the past 200 years.

I would advise anyone here from the 16 realms of Her Majesty to join us trying to create this union...for tho good of our civilisation, culture, and values. Whats more it would be for the benfit of Americans to aid us in this effort...for the good of the Anglophone world!

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject:

I would support stronger ties with other democratic commonwealth cultures with whom we have much in common. However, such an idea is probably unviable in reality. The importance of trade will ensure that the government of Canada values it's relationship with the US most highly, The British government with continental Europe, Australia with Asia and so on. However, as a Briton and an Englishman, I feel more of an affinity with our Commonwealth cousins in the dominions than I do with the likes of France or Spain, even if the realities of international politics mean our governments prioritise those relations with countries that will benefit the perceived national interest more........

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

I believe we should split England in half, the North can join this AngloNation while the South, Wales and Scotland can carry on as the United Kingdom and intergrate into the EU. I think our GDP will probably increase.

Raj · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 8

JDnCoke wrote: I believe we should split England in half, the North can join this AngloNation while the South, Wales and Scotland can carry on as the United Kingdom and intergrate into the EU. I think our GDP will probably increase.

Pff take Southern England and Scotland into Europe if you wnat...but leave Wales true and free!(preferably with a true and free United kingdom)

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

Raj wrote: JDnCoke wrote: I believe we should split England in half, the North can join this AngloNation while the South, Wales and Scotland can carry on as the United Kingdom and intergrate into the EU. I think our GDP will probably increase.

Pff take Southern England and Scotland into Europe if you wnat...but leave Wales true and free!(preferably with a true and free United kingdom)

Wales is very pro-European. They'll probably cede from this 'United' Kingdom when Scotland does to join the EU as a seperate nation anyway.

Raj · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 8

JDnCoke wrote: Raj wrote: JDnCoke wrote: I believe we should split England in half, the North can join this AngloNation while the South, Wales and Scotland can carry on as the United Kingdom and intergrate into the EU. I think our GDP will probably increase.

Pff take Southern England and Scotland into Europe if you wnat...but leave Wales true and free!(preferably with a true and free United kingdom)

Wales is very pro-European. They'll probably cede from this 'United' Kingdom when Scotland does to join the EU as a seperate nation anyway.

Yes I'm aware of Welsh opinions...I am Welsh.

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

[quote="Raj"] JDnCoke wrote: Yes I'm aware of Welsh opinions...I am Welsh.

A fact you're very keen to promote, however being Welsh does not give you complete, unequivocal access to "Welsh" opinions, if such a thing even exists. Attempting to speak for 2.5 million people is a dangerous road to tread.

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject:

JDnCoke wrote: I believe we should split England in half, the North can join this AngloNation while the South, Wales and Scotland can carry on as the United Kingdom and intergrate into the EU. I think our GDP will probably increase.

The Industrial Revolution originated here. If it wasn't for the North of England, the Britain's prosperity in the 18th an 19th century wouldn't have existed to the same extent, and Britain (maybe even Europe) would have remained a world backwater.
If the North's former industrial prosperity had not led to the investment and growth of London's world dominating financial institutions, London would just be another capital city....

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: The Industrial Revolution originated here. If it wasn't for the North of England, the Britain's prosperity in the 18th an 19th century wouldn't have existed to the same extent, and Britain (maybe even Europe) would have remained a world backwater.
If the North's former industrial prosperity had not led to the investment and growth of London's world dominating financial institutions, London would just be another capital city....

Thanks for the brochuresque description of Northern England history, but now is now not yesterday or the day before.

I'm just going on your comments about how Britain has "more in common with our Commonwealth Friends". Excuse me but I have far more in common with our neighbours-since-Europe-began than Bermuda and Barbados. The Aussies (God Bless 'Em) are just US2 (or is it 4 if Britain is 3 and Japan is 2?), with the most grotesque history of white-supremacy.

If the North is so different from the South, let it be it's own country, I have no problem with self-determination.

thundertaker · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:45 am Post subject:

JDnCoke wrote:

Thanks for the brochuresque description of Northern England history, but now is now not yesterday or the day before.

I'm just going on your comments about how Britain has "more in common with our Commonwealth Friends". Excuse me but I have far more in common with our neighbours-since-Europe-began than Bermuda and Barbados. The Aussies (God Bless 'Em) are just US2 (or is it 4 if Britain is 3 and Japan is 2?), with the most grotesque history of white-supremacy.

If the North is so different from the South, let it be it's own country, I have no problem with self-determination.

Aren't you Irish?

Anyway, this is a hypothetical discussion. We share a common language with the dominion realms at least, and with many of the others, a shared history dating back to the Conquest. Their culture is similar and their form of government is directly descended from ours.
In many cases, we even share the same head of state. Many of us have family living in the dominions, which is more than can be said for those of us with family on the continent (and I mean actual citizens, as opposed to middle class Anglos living in Bordeaux or sun-worshipping brits living on the costa del sol........)

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:08 am Post subject: Re: A Federal Commonwealth

The Canadian wrote: The re-unification of the former British Empire into a Federal Commonwealth controlled by a central government? Either in Londeon or another one of the Commonwealth countries.

Free trade would make the commonwealth countries wealthy, our military and economic potential would be astounding and better yet, it would be the true begining of the end for American power.

Thoughts or comments from our British members?

It would have been nice if this is the direcltion it all had gone a long time ago, instead of Dominions and independance.

Hell i would like it again, but now it wont happen too much time has passed for canadians, austrilians ect to consider them selves british any more.

Who knows maybe but not any time soon.

antonio62 · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:03 pm Post subject:

It would be a good idea but it'll never happen.

antonio62 · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:04 pm Post subject:

It would be a good idea but it'll never happen.

Raj · Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 8

antonio62 wrote: It would be a good idea but it'll never happen.

Odder things have happened.

antonio62 · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject:

On this scale.

Chymical · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject:

I'm up for it, lets see if we can get the 'Empire' right second time around...

Tally-ho!~here~we~go!

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: Aren't you Irish?

What the hell does that have to do with the price of pie? :?

thundertaker wrote: Anyway, this is a hypothetical discussion. We share a common language with the dominion realms at least, and with many of the others, a shared history dating back to the Conquest. Their culture is similar and their form of government is directly descended from ours.
In many cases, we even share the same head of state. Many of us have family living in the dominions, which is more than can be said for those of us with family on the continent (and I mean actual citizens, as opposed to middle class Anglos living in Bordeaux or sun-worshipping brits living on the costa del sol........)

Canada, Australia and New Zealand have far more in common with the US than they do with Britain, just look at ANZUS.

Besides this debate will go no where, you have some absurd preconceptions about Brits living in Europe, like that is taboo. What is your problem with European countries anyway?

I mean "Anglos" living in Bordeaux, wtf? That's a lame generalisation. I expect better thunder...

thundertaker · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

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What the hell does that have to do with the price of pie?

Just trying to clarify the fact that you are neither British, nor a Commonwealth citizen. Not that I'm saying that you have no right to express an opinion here, only that as the original poster's question is aimed at Britons and Commonwealth citizens, yours is not nearly as relevent.....

JDnCoke wrote:

Besides this debate will go no where, you have some absurd preconceptions about Brits living in Europe, like that is taboo. What is your problem with European countries anyway?

I mean "Anglos" living in Bordeaux, wtf? That's a lame generalisation. I expect better thunder...

I have seen many of the Brits who live on the continent on my travels there. I know the type. Ones that live amongst their own, can scarecely be bothered to learn the language and are among them but not of them, if you know what I mean. They often 'fall in love':roll: with the place, but rarely if ever see themselves as citizens of that country....

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: Just trying to clarify the fact that you are neither British, nor a Commonwealth citizen. Not that I'm saying that you have no right to express an opinion here, only that as the original poster's question is aimed at Britons and Commonwealth citizens, yours is not nearly as relevent.....

:rotf: :rotf: :bnghd:

Look to the left. I have a Union Jack for my picture. I am British, I was born in Britain to an British mother and an Irish father, I was educated in Britain, I attended a British College and I am attending a (very) British University. I have a British Passport.

But s**t, I need to pass the British-ness test before I can become a citizen right?

thundertaker wrote: I have seen many of the Brits who live on the continent on my travels there. I know the type. Ones that live amongst their own, can scarecely be bothered to learn the language and are among them but not of them, if you know what I mean. They often 'fall in love':roll: with the place, but rarely if ever see themselves as citizens of that country....

Please tell me this is someone hacking you're account, Thunder?

That was the biggest load of generalisation bollocks I ever heard. I think you need to get to "know the type" more than you already do. :x