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Showboat · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:22 am Post subject: Nov 5th

So it's coming up to bonfire night and our schools will be teaching the kids the old rhyme "Remember, remember the 5th of november....." But does anyone know the full rhyme?

Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and
plot.
I see no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'twas his intent to blow up the King and the
Parliament.
Three score barrels of powder below, Poor old England to overthrow:
By God's providence he was catch'd With a dark lantern and burning
match.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, make the bells ring. Holloa boys, holloa
boys, God save the King!
Hip hip hoorah! A penny loaf to feed the Pope. A farthing o' cheese to
choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down. A F****t of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar. Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head. Then we'll say ol' Pope is dead.

Just imagine if Muslims went around saying rhymes about killing the leaders of Christian Churches? They'd all be locked up.

Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 6974 Location: Herefordshire

yes, but that was before suicide vests

btw its strange the word "f aggot" is censored, since its a perfectly legitimate english word :think:

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:16 am Post subject:

Lord Hargreaves wrote: yes, but that was before suicide vests

btw its strange the word "f aggot" is censored, since its a perfectly legitimate english word :think:

Hmm, if I'm not mistaken, you're catholic aren't you? What do you think of this hysterical anti-papist madness? :twisted:

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

HG is a catholic? :lol:

Now there goes than Evangelic-Right image.

Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 6974 Location: Herefordshire

i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

Showboat · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:00 pm Post subject:

Lord Hargreaves wrote: yes, but that was before suicide vests

btw its strange the word "f aggot" is censored, since its a perfectly legitimate english word :think:

It's because it's yet another perfectly legitimate English word that's been hijacked by the yanks.

The point of my post is that although I know it's a harmless rhyme these days, in fact no one even knows more that the first couple of lines, if we're going to enforce these new anti religious hatred laws to the letter then any teacher at a Protestant school that teaches kids, even the first two lines, should be locked up with out charge or trial just like the hate preachers in the dodgy Mosques.

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:32 pm Post subject:

Lord Hargreaves wrote: i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

He was fighting against an English hierarchy that was actually persecuting catholics, and this intensified following the failure of the plot.
In Lewes, they still celebrate Bonfire night by burning the pope in effigy and walking around carrying signs proclaiming 'NO POPERY!'. It's almost like a little bit of Northern Ireland comes to a small town in England every year on the 5th of November....

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: He was fighting against an English hierarchy that was actually persecuting catholics, and this intensified following the failure of the plot.
In Lewes, they still celebrate Bonfire night by burning the pope in effigy and walking around carrying signs proclaiming 'NO POPERY!'. It's almost like a little bit of Northern Ireland comes to a small town in England every year on the 5th of November....

Really?? :shock:

Thank God for Southern Secularity.

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 6242

Has anyone ever been to Lewis on the South Coast? They burn the Pope and not Guy!!!

http://www.cathnews.com/news/312/54.php

I was there about 8 years ago and it's absolutely MAD!!!! Homemade fireworks going off all around you, street processions, Popes on stages cheering the crowds....

thefranzkafkafront · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:53 pm Post subject:

Lord Hargreaves wrote: i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

Well he was a catholic terrorist trying to kill the protestant king and parliment in order to replace them with a catholic one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject:

JDnCoke wrote: thundertaker wrote: He was fighting against an English hierarchy that was actually persecuting catholics, and this intensified following the failure of the plot.
In Lewes, they still celebrate Bonfire night by burning the pope in effigy and walking around carrying signs proclaiming 'NO POPERY!'. It's almost like a little bit of Northern Ireland comes to a small town in England every year on the 5th of November....

Really?? :shock:

Thank God for Southern Secularity.

Uh, Lewes is in Sussex, which is in the South of England if I'm not mistaken. The North and Lancashire in particular resisted the reformation more than the rest of the country. In fact, the Jacobites passed through Lancashire in 1715 and 1745 because they hoped the large number of catholics in the county would naturally sympathise with them over the usurping protestant hanoevarians, and flood the largely scottish highland armies with lots of eager English Catholic recruits. Sadly for them, it didn't quite work out that way........

Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 6974 Location: Herefordshire

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

Well he was a catholic terrorist trying to kill the protestant king and parliment in order to replace them with a catholic one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

dude i know, thats my point. I'm glad Guy Fawkes failed because I believe in parliament and like the monarchy, while still being catholic. I can be a catholic who can celebrate a catholic failed terrorist attack - there is no contradiction - thats what i was trying to say.

Showboat · Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject:

Lord Hargreaves wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

Well he was a catholic terrorist trying to kill the protestant king and parliment in order to replace them with a catholic one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

dude i know, thats my point. I'm glad Guy Fawkes failed because I believe in parliament and like the monarchy, while still being catholic. I can be a catholic who can celebrate a catholic failed terrorist attack - there is no contradiction - thats what i was trying to say.

Yet you don''t seem to beleive Muslims can be like minded? :?

Lord Hargreaves · Joined: 05 Oct 2004 Posts: 6974 Location: Herefordshire

Showboat wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

Well he was a catholic terrorist trying to kill the protestant king and parliment in order to replace them with a catholic one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

dude i know, thats my point. I'm glad Guy Fawkes failed because I believe in parliament and like the monarchy, while still being catholic. I can be a catholic who can celebrate a catholic failed terrorist attack - there is no contradiction - thats what i was trying to say.

Yet you don''t seem to beleive Muslims can be like minded? :?

of course, its just we see no evidence of it

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

thundertaker wrote: Uh, Lewes is in Sussex, which is in the South of England if I'm not mistaken. The North and Lancashire in particular resisted the reformation more than the rest of the country. In fact, the Jacobites passed through Lancashire in 1715 and 1745 because they hoped the large number of catholics in the county would naturally sympathise with them over the usurping protestant hanoevarians, and flood the largely scottish highland armies with lots of eager English Catholic recruits. Sadly for them, it didn't quite work out that way........

*Mumsie disposition* Really Thunder, I thought you would have noticed *God* and *Secular* in the same sentence as a joke. :lol:

Showboat · Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:25 am Post subject:

Lord Hargreaves wrote: Showboat wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: Lord Hargreaves wrote: i don't really care - its an old song no one sings anymore when Britain was much less tolerant of other faiths. I don't have a problem with being glad Guy Fawkes failed while being Catholic - why should I?

Well he was a catholic terrorist trying to kill the protestant king and parliment in order to replace them with a catholic one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot

dude i know, thats my point. I'm glad Guy Fawkes failed because I believe in parliament and like the monarchy, while still being catholic. I can be a catholic who can celebrate a catholic failed terrorist attack - there is no contradiction - thats what i was trying to say.

Yet you don''t seem to beleive Muslims can be like minded? :?

of course, its just we see no evidence of it

That's because it's not newsworthy.

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

Showboat wrote: That's because it's not newsworthy.

The justification for war, restriction of our civil liberties and a fundamental tampering with our legal system is "not newsworthy"?

And I though the media was sensationalist...

Showboat · Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:06 am Post subject:

JDnCoke wrote: Showboat wrote: That's because it's not newsworthy.

The justification for war, restriction of our civil liberties and a fundamental tampering with our legal system is "not newsworthy"?

And I though the media was sensationalist...

er no. Muslims being anti-terrorist isn't