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Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

clarity wrote: Well i suppose once europe forms a true goverment ireland and the uk will be part of the same nation anyway

Possibly. But Ireland doesn't have to join that government either.

clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

S if they would stay out of it they'd be one country within an army of continents

Haretto · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 71 Location: Western WA

Stay Ireland. Kick the Brits out of the north.

clarity · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 280 Location: Burton

the irish are British by blood and location

drBo · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject:

I think that Britain, France, Spain, Germany, the Balkans, Turkey, and North Africa should all go back to Italy since the Romans ruled over all of them 2000 years ago... :roll:

Democrat · Joined: 21 Feb 2004 Posts: 1424 Location: New Jersey

Why would Ireland want to join a country that viciously oppressed their people and massacred their children? Look up the history between Ireland and Britain--its brutal.

Democrat

Shady · Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 7413 Location: VA

clarity wrote: the irish are British by blood and location

No they aren't. They are Irish.

drBo · Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject:

The Irish will never go back to Britain. They left for the same reasons that America and India left. They might have even had it a little worse. The Americans were at least seen as near equals, being mostly of British descent, and the Indians were half a world away. The Irish were always right next door, seen as almost sub-human, and used as cannon fodder in Britain's many wars. No wonder they wanted to get away from the Brits!

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

curisz wrote: 1. The Irish are not a bunch of brits who decided to go their separate way, they are a people who were subjugated by British rule and finally broke free.
Ireland as a country did not exist 800 years ago when we became involved (in a similar way to Cornwall), so in that respect it is in fact a part of Britain which broke away.
2. They have a stronger economy than Britain right now, why ruin it?
Ireland's economy is very strong by GDP but almost the weakest of the EU15 by GNP.... so not very strong. The UK has the strongest economy in Europe atm.
3. The fact that they are the next island over does not make them part of Britain.
True
4. Better teeth.
Have you actually been to an Irish dentist?
5. Leprechauns a way cooler mascot than Prince Charles.
Prince Charles rocks!!! In an ironic kinda way... (see dictionary.com for the definition of 'irony').
6. It's close, real close, but Guinness is still better than Newcastle Brown.
Guinness (or 'Porter'), what invented by an Englishman in Covent Garden and the recipe used by Mr Guinness.
7. Irish have never been much for taking over other peoples countries and expecting gratitude for it.
There's only 3.5 million Irish... they don't have the chance. Plus 800 years ago they were invading Britain... or at least trying to.
8. Ireland is just greener.
Thanks Ireland for absorbing all the rain coming in off the Atlantic.
9. Way better at bar fights, especially after 10 or so drinks.
Fair point but not something to brag about.
10. Did I mention they were never British to begin with?
Did i mention they were not Irish to begin with?

Saying all this, I love the Irish, love Ireland just hate yanks interfering in non-US business just because 'hey, my family came from Ireland...'. (150 fecking years ago!!!)

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

curisz wrote: clarity wrote: how do you think america would have evolved if it hadnt have been colonised all at once, you would have had 52 countrys or more.

and i can honestly say is a state withdrew itself from america all of you would be furious.

Ireland is part of the British isles they speak the british language and live in pretty much the same way so why shouldnt they allow thier power to grow

Ok. America wasn't colonized all at once. It started as several colonies who banded together for their common good.

Ireland was never a British "State" it was a colony.

"The British Isles" is a term invented by Britain. To the Irish it was always just Ireland.

There is no such thing as the British language, it is called English, and it is spoken in Ireland because Gaelic was deliberately suppressed.

Power isn't everything.

The term 'Britain' was first used by the Romans when they invaded and occupied our country. Incidentally, when was the last time you heard a Brit complaining at the Italians for that? Or the Dutch when they invaded, or the French or the Danes???

Get over this, we did... over and over and over...

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

thundertaker wrote: Most of the protestants in NI are descended from Scottish (not English) settlers. As you yourself have mentioned, the scots and Irish are closely linked. In fact, the scots themselves were descended from the 'Scotti' tribe of Ulster which invaded Western Caledonia and stole the land off the picts. So the Scots who settled in Ulster were really only returning 'home' by a lot of people's definitions....

Exactly! Also note that while the British occupied the whole of Ireland many Irish moved to Scotland and were not made welcome, they could not find work, they could not find places to stay or help in many ways... Where were your Celtic bonds then???

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

Democrat wrote: Why would Ireland want to join a country that viciously oppressed their people and massacred their children? Look up the history between Ireland and Britain--its brutal.

Democrat

Look up the history of your nation and the Indians...."that viciously oppressed their people and massacred their children"???!?!?!?!

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

I think one thing to say to you clarity:

Tan and Fecking Blacks!!!

Time Lord Omega · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 14 Location: In my TARDIS

Ireland does not need to rejoin the United Kingdom. They basically rebuilt the country thanks to E.U. money. They plain don't need us and we should not force them to rejoin a union they want no part of.

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

I genuinely thought it was a satirical post....

Snow Patrol · Joined: 30 May 2005 Posts: 2175 Location: Glasgow

Ssushi wrote: Saying all this, I love the Irish, love Ireland just hate yanks interfering in non-US business just because 'hey, my family came from Ireland...'. (150 fecking years ago!!!)
Yeah, i'm quite surprised at how many Americans were involved in this thread and how misinformed the majority of them were, especially about Northern Ireland, but then again this thread was bulls**t to begin with.

Ssushi · Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 7020

Snow Patrol wrote: Ssushi wrote: Saying all this, I love the Irish, love Ireland just hate yanks interfering in non-US business just because 'hey, my family came from Ireland...'. (150 fecking years ago!!!)
Yeah, i'm quite surprised at how many Americans were involved in this thread and how misinformed the majority of them were, especially about Northern Ireland, but then again this thread was bulls**t to begin with.

BS I agree! But "Gee my my great great grandaddy was Irish so I must have a valid reason" :-D

The Redcoat · Joined: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 411 Location: Hampshire, England

OK Clarity i'm not sure your living in the real world.

My mother is half-Irish, which makes me what, 1/4 Irish, or is it 1/8? I'm not sure, but anyway, Ireland was a COLONY, which we overan.

Instead of asking Americans how they'd feel if a state pulled out of the union, you should be asking, how would you feel if you were invaded and suppressed like the Irish as a society were?

I think it's to do with proximity here why you want them back, which is also the reason they were taken over in the first place. If you want Ireland back, why not all of the colonies aswell?

And Northern Ireland wishes to remain part of the UK, it is a different country, the rest of Ireland should get over it.

JDnCoke · Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 1153 Location: Oxford, Queen's

The majority of people will have some irish connection, they had the largest dispora of any nation in the world (even greater than the jewish one). In most countries you'll find an irish community.

angusrae · Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 974 Location: Falkirk Scotland

JDnCoke wrote: The majority of people will have some irish connection, they had the largest dispora of any nation in the world (even greater than the jewish one). In most countries you'll find an irish community.

I would disagree with JDnCoke the Scots also have a history of mass emigration around the world and may match or excede the Irish in many nations. But Eire was always a nation and should remain Independant. I only hope that we Scots can follow their example and regain our national freedom.